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Arandor

10/18/2011 8:50 PM UTC

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It would have been a clone if I had suggested that everyone post their settings in my thread. But it wasn't a clone. The core idea was the same, but the topics were different. It's like a poll: which unit do you like? but for different factions. Besides, it had a poll and it was temporary. Why delete something that will be deleted anyway later? Are you just itching to delete things?

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Nyashechka Kavai

10/18/2011 8:53 PM UTC

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Слоныш

10/18/2011 8:53 PM UTC

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Gil4

And I won't even mention the established order, simply the internal etiquette of the section, not written down in the rules. Everyone used to manage with the Workshop, General Discussions; they even polled those they wanted to see in their game via private messages, ICQ, etc., but you were too lazy and decided to create your own thread. And now you've gained momentum and didn't even want to compromise.

No, it's actually written down, as Ment rightly pointed out.

Arandor

Are three people deciding which topics to delete? Maybe you should just make them admins?

Three people can't decide what to delete (more precisely, merge), but one person can – if he's Arandor. It's logical.

Ment

10/18/2011 8:55 PM UTC

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It's like a poll: which unit do you like? but for different factions.

More like this: there was a topic "Which units in HoMMV do you like?", and a new topic was created: "Which units in HoMMV at level 5 do you like?".

Besides, it had a poll and was temporary. Why delete something that will be deleted later anyway?

Is it based on the principle of "confess and repent"? Not the best principle, but let's assume. But the problem is that you have followers (only one for now, but that's not the limit), who won't be able to delete their own topics.

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Amko

10/18/2011 8:56 PM UTC

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I second this gentleman.

Ar, stop whining. You didn't act like a paladin, and you probably won't get your topic back now.

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Happy Life

10/18/2011 8:59 PM UTC

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Three people can't decide what to remove (or rather, merge), but one person – if it's Arandor – can. That makes sense.

It didn't bother me. At least, not much. At first, I was skeptical about the idea, but then I realized, why not? I'm sure many others felt the same way and approached it calmly and without excessive enthusiasm.

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Arandor

10/18/2011 8:59 PM UTC

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A clone topic would be if it were identical. Okay, if you didn't like that example, let's take the map section. Each author creates a separate topic for their map. I did the same.
As for followers, how does this affect the deletion of my topic? Yes, they themselves won't be able to delete it, but I can. It's not difficult for me to delete these topics over time. I actually told Zubr that when he made his suggestion. However, Zubr started writing to me, asking me to delete such topics immediately. I refused.

Amko, if I deleted someone's topic in the off-topic section, the author would immediately start messaging me on ICQ. Some do this even when I delete off-topic messages.

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Небо

10/18/2011 9:03 PM UTC

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I don't see anything terrible or awful about the Arandor and Tox topics. If they were deleted, no one would die, and no one would get confused or lost in the two "unnecessary" topics. IMHO. However, I believe that Arandor acted incorrectly with the workshop because it is for everyone, not just for Slonysh and Zubr; delete their topics :З

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Gil4

10/18/2011 9:04 PM UTC

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Arandor

Three people decide which topics to delete? Should we just make you admins right away? Delete half the forum, since it bothers you.

And who else wanted to create a topic? I didn't see anyone else wanting to create one. If they did, by that time my topic might not have existed anymore. I wasn't planning on keeping it open forever anyway.

The reason for creating the topic is my personal business. The main thing is that it doesn't violate the rules.

I was just expressing my opinion. You asked who else it was bothering — I answered. And now you're on the attack again. The same could be said to you. You got offended, fancied yourself the god of the section, and deleted two topics instead of just yours. Unequal exchange, wouldn't you say? And overall, you've placed yourself above the entire moderator team of the forum, allowing yourself to use your powers for personal gain.

That's exactly the point — other people could have wanted to create topics later. So what if your topic wouldn't exist? Are we going to start creating a topic for every mafia game? "Oh, I have a lot of roles, what if there aren't enough players!" "Oh, I have two mafia factions, what if the people only want one!" You yourself allowed your "unique case" to develop into something more ordinary by allowing Tox to create a similar topic. Since when does an anime setting require a separate topic? And should we ask if there are any haters of some writer among the players before creating a topic based on their works? You perfectly understand how absurd that is.

The point about unwritten etiquette you simply ignored, I see. Well okay, keep placing yourself above the other GMs of the section. YOU needed the topic, yes.

Arandor

It wasn't a clone. Besides, it had a poll and was temporary. Why delete something that would be deleted later anyway? Got an itchy trigger finger or something?

Again, the purpose of creation was the POLL — that's the only thing that made the topic not a clone. Didn't you have time to see if you had enough players? Did it sit there for an hour, two, a day? No, longer. Today you completely reduced the topic's content to discussing setting details. After that, the topic became your personal clone of the Workshop. Questions?

Ment, it stopped being personal when Ar started deleting topics that concerned everyone. I'm still waiting for the 35th mafia game, y'know.

Arandor

A clone topic would be the case if it were identical. Okay, if you didn't like that example, let's take the maps section. Each author creates a separate topic for their own map. I did the same thing.

That's an incorrect example. In such an analogy, you'd have to say: "there was a topic with a list of all maps created on HeroesWorld, sorted by author, and you created a separate topic for the list of your own maps, because the general topic for all authors wasn't enough for you."

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Amko

10/18/2011 9:06 PM UTC

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Let's create a thread with a poll and decide whether such threads are needed, considering that there are already two precedents. I think that's a democratic approach.

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Nyashechka Kavai

10/18/2011 9:09 PM UTC

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Let's create a topic with a poll and decide if such topics are needed, since there are already 2 precedents. I think that's the democratic way to do it.

It will be easier to have one topic for each similar topic. And then it can be deleted.

Mestear

10/18/2011 9:09 PM UTC

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For example, these topics didn't bother me at all. Why were they removed? It's not hard to guess what the consequences would be.
Apparently, life is boring without arguments.

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Arandor

10/18/2011 9:09 PM UTC

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You were offended, you fancied yourself the god of the section and deleted two threads at once instead of one of your own.

I initially deleted one. Then I put it back and deleted the second one. So, there's no need to get so worked up.
Yes, I might have gotten carried away, but I initially moved it to another section to extract the messages from my thread.

That's the point, other people might have wanted to join later. And so what if your thread wasn't there? Are we going to start creating a thread for every single Mafia game?

What's it to you? You and Slonysh don't even play (except for the Zubrovskaya Mafia) and you just come here to stir things up. What difference does it make to you? This issue should definitely be decided not by you, but by all the players. If you didn't like the thread, you could have created a poll about it. The majority would have voted, and then the issue would have been resolved.

Again, the purpose of creating it was for a POLL, that's the only thing that made the thread not a clone.

Where did you see a clone? Did I ask people to post settings in my thread and discuss them? I posted a setting for review so that people could read it and vote based on what they read. If I had just written that I was going to create a game based on this world, fewer people would have signed up.

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Zybr

10/18/2011 9:10 PM UTC

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A clone topic would be if it were identical. Okay, if you didn't like that example, let's take the map section. Each author creates a separate topic for their map. I did the same.

Bad example. The section has existed for a year and a half, and based on this, we can say that it has a clear structure. Different maps can be considered different games in this case.

As for the followers, how does this affect the removal of my topic?

Both topics were deleted so that no one would be offended. And again, the topic wasn't deleted, but the posts were moved from it to the Workshop. And the off-topic posts were moved to the trash. What complaints can you have if you were offered to have the topic returned? You can still do that.

It's not difficult for me to delete these topics over time.

I find that hard to believe, looking at the basic topics. Oh well.
Who was bothered by the clear topic system? Tell me.
Well, this is probably the same as at the workplace. It seems more convenient for you, but in the end, it's not accepted. A well-thought-out system has long been established, according to which there is a designated place for the canteen, for example, or just in some separate common room.

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Arandor

10/18/2011 9:18 PM UTC

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In any case, the topic is not a clone. You can see examples of clones in the Heroes section, and they were also discussed in the general chat.

What complaints could there be if you were offered to restore the topic? It's still possible to do that.

I offered to restore it, but you're dictating your own terms. And what's the point of restoring it now? If you restore all the messages and delete the unnecessary ones (from Tox's topic), then it's okay.