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Let someone answer in the thread so everyone can see. Why was my topic deleted? What was the reason, and by what right?
You answer, so everyone can see, what is the reason and by what right you are doing this to the Workshop and the 35th Mafia. The height of logic is to delete the Workshop, where posts from your own "unhappy" topic were moved. If you think that you were treated unfairly, is this a reason to treat all players this way? Does moderation give you the right to act arbitrarily in response to everything you disagree with? Where did these people come from? Didn't you record the survey results and hang them on the wall in a beautiful frame? The posts haven't been lost. What's your problem? Are you acting out of spite?
Zybr
14 years ago
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Let someone answer in the thread so that everyone can see. Why was my thread deleted? What was the reason, and by what right?
So, how did it all start?:) It started with the fact that the "Workshop" became difficult to read, and it became completely impossible to estimate the potential number of participants through it. The disgruntled Arandor deserves some credit for this. And then he took the easiest and most selfish path - he created a separate thread for himself. At first, it wasn't touched - the moderator still has some responsibility. But a second thread appeared from Tox. This thread was not very useful, because the problems that led to its creation could be solved without creating it. No offense, but if a GM can estimate how many players he will have just by conducting a poll, and he is too lazy to ask about it in a private message, or read reviews in the Workshop (and ask moderators to clean up the unnecessary stuff in the Workshop), then he shouldn't run the game at all. He will stumble on every stone. So, in order to stop the further proliferation of threads, and to maintain at least some order in the section (does anyone still remember how it started? How pleasant it was to read and how easy it was to navigate the threads and even the posts?), Slonyash and I decided to move all important posts from the threads of Arandor and Tox to the "Workshop," and to delete or move unnecessary chatter to the trash (Tox's thread was completely moved to the Workshop). Aru didn't like this, and he started "kicking up a fuss." How could they?! How dare they delete his thread?! And he committed his first not-so-smart act - he deleted and moved the Workshop in response. At first, I didn't want to take his actions as an offense, and I offered him the following: his thread and the Workshop would be restored, and he would personally be responsible for maintaining order, in particular, by deleting new threads created in a similar way. Arandor refused. Apparently, his pride was hurt. He continued to make noise, "How dare you delete MY thread?!" And as a result, my Mafia game was sent to the dark abyss. Presumably in retaliation. He had been preparing the game for a long time, but he apparently doesn't care about other people's work. That's basically it.
I "fished out" the Workshop and put it in the section for the 4th game for safekeeping. Now I will restore the Workshop.
Zybr
14 years ago
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The workshop has been restored.
Arandor
14 years ago
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2Gill 1. Who asked you to move it? 2. Not all messages were moved. 3. What does the topic have to do with it? Maybe the poll was important to me? 4.
Moderation gives you the right to act arbitrarily
You should ask Slonysh and Zubr about this, because their actions are a real abuse of power. I started to act in response, using the same methods.
Zubr, I have every right to create polls. The rules don't prohibit it. In the workshop, they post settings, and people make comments and discuss them. Let them post. I just needed a separate topic with a poll that I would later delete and move myself, so it wouldn't bother anyone. As for Tox, his topic would have been treated the same way over time. And where does the confidence come from that others would have appeared afterward? Who were these topics bothering? Who found it difficult to navigate the section because of two extra topics? You and Slonysh? Because of this, you decided that you have the right to delete these topics? Because they annoy you and you have the opportunity to get rid of them? Is that fair?
And yes, why did you start resolving this issue with Slonysh, and not with me? I am also a moderator, and besides, it was my topic
Zybr
14 years ago
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Where does this confidence come from, that others would appear afterward?
Where does this confidence come from? How many topics appeared in the "Off-Topic" section afterward? Useless, but it's hard to deny their existence. How much off-topic content started appearing in the "Workshop" and "General Discussions"? It's a clear trend.
I just needed a separate topic that I could delete and move myself later, so it wouldn't bother anyone.
How strongly "I" shines through here.
Because of this, you decided that you had the right to delete these topics?
I wrote the reasons above, why repeat the question? Moreover, I already wrote above that I offered you a solution to the problem. But you stubbornly refused. Maybe the arguments for deleting your topic, mine, and Slonysh's aren't that strong, but firstly, they exist, and secondly, you didn't give adequate answers to them, only "what right do you have to do this?" But you have no arguments in favor of deleting the "Workshop" and my game. You did it simply out of spite.
and you should ask Slonysh and Zubr about this, because their actions are a real outrage.
It's funny if it weren't so sad :) They give you specific explanations for their actions, and you are offended and take revenge. Like a child.
2 Gil 1. Who asked you to move the thread? 2. Not all messages were moved. 3. What does this have to do with the topic? Maybe the poll was important to me? 4.
You need to ask Slonysh and Zubr about that, because their actions are a complete outrage. I started acting in response, using the same methods.
Zubr, I have every right to create polls. The rules don't forbid it. In the Workshop, they post settings, and people make comments and discuss them. Let them post. I just needed a separate thread that I would later delete and move myself, so it wouldn't bother anyone. As for Tox, his thread would have been treated the same way over time. And where does the confidence come from that others would have appeared afterward? Who were these threads bothering? Who found it difficult to navigate the section because of two extra threads? You and Slonysh? Because of this, you decided that you had the right to delete these threads? Because they annoyed you, and you had the opportunity to get rid of them? Is that fair?
I was asking about your specific actions. It's clear to everyone that you acted out of spite. But is it normal for moderators to use their powers for personal vendettas? "I started acting in response, using the same methods." Yes, I understand that the poll was important. I asked – didn't you have time to post it on the wall? Or did you forget if you had gathered enough people who wanted to participate? Oh, right, you needed a list of usernames who voted so you could then force them to play the game. <_< Anyway, my point is that no matter how wrong others may have been, in your subjective opinion, as a moderator, you didn't have the right to use your special abilities for "revenge in the name of the Moon." And yes, if you're so interested in who it bothered, it bothered me too. And the confidence about new threads appearing... Tox doubted that it would look good to have two poll threads at the same time. You told him to post in the same thread, and there would be two topics. :/ Or is Tox special, and you would have told others "no way"? And I won't even mention the established order, just the internal etiquette of the section, which isn't written in the rules. Everyone managed using the Workshop, General Discussions; sometimes they even polled those they wanted to see in their game in private messages, ICQ, etc., but you were too lazy and decided to create your own thread. Now you've gone too far and didn't even want to compromise.
Arandor
14 years ago
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Where does this confidence come from? How many threads have subsequently appeared in the "Off-Topic" section? They are useless, but it's hard to deny their existence. How much off-topic content has started appearing in the "Workshop" and "General Discussions" sections? It's a clear trend.
The sections are completely different. Why compare them?
I wrote the reasons above, why repeat the question? Moreover, I already wrote above that I offered you a solution to the problem. But you're being stubborn.
You offered a solution when there was nothing left of my topic? Haha. Maybe I should have physically deleted it and then offered a solution, huh?
Maybe the arguments for deleting your topic that I and Slonyash had aren't that strong.
What arguments? We wanted to, so we deleted it? Are those arguments? I have arguments that prevent you from doing what you did – the forum rules.
Arandor
14 years ago
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And yes, if you're so interested in who it bothered, it bothered me too.
Three people decide which topics to delete? Maybe you should just make them admins? Delete half the forum, since it bothers you.
Tox doubted that two topics with polls would look good at the same time. You told him to post on the same day, and there would be two topics. :/ Or is Tox special, would you tell others "no way"?
And who else wanted to create a topic? I didn't see anyone else wanting to create one. If someone else had, my topic might not have been there anymore by then. I wasn't going to keep it open forever.
The reason for creating the topic is my personal business. The main thing is that it doesn't violate any rules.
Happy Life
14 years ago
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Gil, in my humble opinion, it would be better to let the moderators resolve their issues in the discussion themselves, rather than interfering. Because many people might express their opinions, but it won't lead to any positive outcome.
Ment
14 years ago
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Arandor, I'm sorry, but you are incorrect regarding the rules. Moderator rules, point 4:
In the event of duplicate topics being found on the forum with an existing discussion of the topic in both topics, they should be merged.
Your topic was a clone of the "Workshop," only personal. The result is obvious. --- I apologize if I'm interfering where I shouldn't.
