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14 years ago
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"objective truth, i.e., knowledge whose content does not depend on either the individual or humanity."

You don't understand philosophy very well. Later
I reason about truth from the perspective of dialectical materialism
which is what most of these people were raised on.
testable hypothesis

And how are you going to measure knowledge? Scan the brain?
does Vishmaster's argument on the topic of "food substitute is worse than regular food" satisfy you?

No. Because my moral needs are not satisfied, and I prioritize them over physiological ones. At least for that reason.
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You don't understand philosophy very well. And this is the environment in which most of these people were raised.


And how are you going to measure knowledge? Scan the brain?
1) Regarding dialectical materialism – this is a _literal_ quote http://www.psylib.ukrweb.net/books/konst01/txt07.htm
2) The level of knowledge can be measured with a test compiled by a third party who does not know for whom the test is being compiled, but who does know the subject.
In fact, the measurability of the level of knowledge acquisition is the basis of any education.
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OMG, what nonsense. I didn't even write that.
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Okay. What is respect? It is reverence. That is, to some extent, humiliation.

Don't contradict yourself

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No. Because my moral needs are not being satisfied, and I prioritize them over physiological needs. At least for that reason.
Okay
Let's assume an abstract situation:
Moral needs say one thing.
The laws of nature say the exact opposite.

What will you change, the laws of nature or moral needs?..

/And yes. I apologize, but it seems a bit silly for someone who uses their nickname as a reference to the Prince of This World to talk about rejecting violence and vegetarianism.
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How are you going to measure knowledge? Scan the brain?
This is an unnecessary measure. Even if we assume that they evolved twice as slowly as you and I (which is unlikely), they would still easily surpass us due to the time they have had to absorb knowledge.
You don't understand philosophy very well.
What do you mean by truth? Are you saying that truth can be different from what they tell us? And that they don't know the real truth, but you do? Let me reveal a secret: no one claims to tell the absolute truth. A model is being built. We only need the model to work in a certain approximation – then we can apply it in practice, calculate something with a certain error. We ignore the rest as insignificant, contributing too little. And absolute truth is unlikely to be achievable, and it is not worth deluding ourselves into thinking that we are closer to it than esteemed professors: I highly doubt that this is the case. More precisely, I am 100% sure of the opposite.
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The level of knowledge can be measured by a test compiled by a third party who does not know for whom the test is being created, but who is knowledgeable in the given discipline.
Essentially, the measurability of the level of knowledge acquisition is the basis of any education.

Firstly, again, knowledge and experience are two different things. A person with experience, in this case, a professor, possesses extensive knowledge in the field in which they work, but this does not mean that they have more knowledge about other fields. So, this test of yours doesn't prove anything.
Don't contradict yourself.
You can read in Wikipedia that respect is reverence. And the fact that reverence is, to some extent, humiliation is true, because you acknowledge that there is a person whose merits exceed yours and you lower your self-esteem. But this does not mean that I equate these three concepts in the way you wrote.
Moral needs say one thing.
The laws of nature say the exact opposite.

In my opinion, a person's calling is to create harmony in their coexistence with nature, and not to imitate the animal instincts of satiation. A person is a creation of reason, not of nature
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Firstly, again, knowledge and experience are two different things. A person with experience, in this case, a professor, possesses extensive knowledge in the field he works in, but that doesn't mean he has more knowledge about other fields. So, this test of yours doesn't prove anything.

You can read in Wikipedia that respect is reverence. And the fact that reverence is, to some extent, humiliation is also true, because you acknowledge that there is a person whose merits surpass yours and you lower your self-esteem.

I meant specifically _experience in the industry_, read carefully.

And regarding the second point... hmm. Let me explain.
For a strong person, acknowledging that someone is stronger than them and striving to become stronger than that person is normal. This doesn't humiliate, it shows that there is something to strive for. In turn, the strongest person doesn't humiliate those who are weaker; they themselves were weaker than their current selves.
For a weak person, acknowledging that someone is stronger than them is worse than drinking poison, because they are already aware of their weakness, and any extra reminder can kill them.
The question is about one's own self-esteem at the moment of making the judgment.

An example from my experience: at the beginning of my first year, I clearly understood that there were three people in the group who were smarter than me. As a result, I acknowledged this fact and delved into my studies; now I am on equal footing with them.
My classmate, upon realizing that there were people smarter than her, fell into depression, abandoned her studies, and was expelled.

Understand that it's foolish to make a mountain out of a molehill. Respecting someone who truly knows and can do more than you is normal, but if this respect grows into a desire to serve, that's servility.
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Firstly, knowledge and experience are two different things. A person with experience, in this case, a professor, possesses extensive knowledge in the field they work in, but that doesn't mean they have more knowledge about other areas. So, this test of yours doesn't prove anything.
And in what field do you need it? No one is asking a physics professor to give lectures on history: it's more logical to learn from someone who teaches it better.
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You can read in Wikipedia that respect is a form of reverence. And the fact that reverence involves a degree of humility is also true, because you acknowledge that there is a person whose merits surpass yours and you lower your self-esteem.
My Lord, I'm sorry, but this... How can I put it more gently? Teng expressed himself quite well and gently, good job.
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In my opinion, a person's calling is to create harmony in their coexistence with nature, not to resemble animal instincts of satiation. A person is a creation of reason, not of nature.

Oh. Okay, even simpler.
Suppose that the realization of your moral needs makes you weaker, stupider, and less far-sighted.
What is more important – understanding and controlling the world, or submitting to the world?

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Where I spoke about "weak and strong," I meant a HEALTHY SOCIETY.
It's hard to call a school/prison/army a HEALTHY SOCIETY; different laws may apply there.
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An example from my own experience: at the beginning of my first year, I clearly understood that there were three people in the group who were smarter than me. As a result, I acknowledged this fact and delved into my studies, and now I am on equal footing with them.

You didn't make yourself smarter by doing that. You simply satisfied your ambitions.
Let's assume that fulfilling your moral needs ultimately makes you weaker, less intelligent, and less far-sighted.
What is more important: understanding and controlling the world, or submitting to the world?

Moral needs do not make a person weaker or less intelligent. They are dictated by reason and will.
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You haven't made yourself any smarter by doing this. You've simply satisfied your ambitions.


Moral needs don't make a person weaker or less intelligent. They are dictated by reason and will.
1) Explain why I didn't become smarter by absorbing and using a vast amount of information and by gaining valuable experience in many areas of life?
2) Hmm. The Christian code of conduct is a moral need for many, although creationism, subtly linked to it, makes a person less intelligent.
And yes. Moral needs don't negate the fact that people need to test new drugs on animals first. Mathematical modeling doesn't work; medicine is phenomenological.
Experiments on humans are even less moral.

Considering that attempts to consume synthesized organic matter indirectly harm the body, adhering to the ideal of rejecting non-synthesized organic matter (a moral need) makes you weaker.
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You haven't made yourself any smarter by doing this. You've just satisfied your ambitions.
Are you saying that a person doesn't become smarter in the process of learning?
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Explain why I didn't become smarter from absorbing and using a vast amount of information and from gaining valuable experience in many areas of life?

Your so-called "vast amount of information" could contain data beyond just your knowledge of various subjects. This is not a criterion for intelligence. The fact that you have gained some experience certainly says something, but the way you boast about it speaks to its imperfection.

And yes. Moral needs do not negate the fact that new drugs should first be tested on animals. Mathematical modeling doesn't work; medicine is phenomenological.
Experiments on humans are even less ethical.

A person has the right to sacrifice themselves in the name of their moral beliefs. No one is forcing you to eat ZP, so don't eat it. But don't dictate to others how they should act.
Are you saying that a person doesn't become smarter in the process of learning?

I meant that sitting at a desk and satisfying one's personal ambitions is not the foundation of learning
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Your so-called "database of information" could contain not only your knowledge of subjects but also other data. This is not a criterion for intelligence. The fact that you have gained some experience certainly says something, but the way you boast about it speaks to its imperfection.


A person has the right to sacrifice themselves in the name of their moral convictions. No one is forcing you to consume ZP, so don't eat it. But don't dictate to others how they should act.

Okay.
Give me a criterion for intelligence and a clear, consistent, and singular definition of intelligence. In your own words. I'll give you a hint: from your words, it follows that learning does not develop intelligence.

Okay, but if my moral convictions say that "I cannot, by action or inaction, allow harm to be done to a person"? What then, whose moral laws are stronger?

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I meant that sitting at a desk and satisfying one's personal ambitions is not the basis of knowledge.
Again. Please provide a definition in your own words. What is the basis of knowledge, and why is the process of knowledge not the basis of knowledge?

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And if you say that knowledge is only achievable through direct experiment, I will send you to the works of THEORETICAL physics.

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And if you decide to deny the value of THEORETICAL physics, I will ask you to erase from the surrounding space everything that uses electromagnetic waves, including the microwave, because the properties of electromagnetic waves were predicted theoretically long before their practical discovery.
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I wanted to say that sitting at a desk and satisfying one's personal ambitions is not the foundation of knowledge.
No. Or rather, not always. But it is one of the ways, and it works. Just like in sports, for example.
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Yes, that's essentially true. Learning isn't the only method of gaining knowledge, but it's quite effective (why repeat Newton's and others' paths from the very beginning to the theory of relativity, if you can thoughtfully understand the results of their work and replicate them locally with an understanding of the process?). If it weren't effective, people wouldn't engage in it, would they?
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Give me a criterion for intelligence and a clear, consistent, and singular definition of intelligence. In your own words. I'll give you a hint: from your words, it follows that learning does not develop intelligence.

Intelligence, translated from German, means "spirit." That is, it is a person's SPIRITUAL ability to think. You have, of course, received some information, but that does not mean that you have developed this ability itself. Learning develops intelligence, but in people who strive to develop their thinking, not just accumulate knowledge.
And if my moral convictions say that "I cannot, by action or inaction, allow harm to be done to a person"? What then, whose moral laws are stronger?

Unfortunately, this question is like the Gordian knot. On the other hand, what are you advocating for? For the physical health of a person. And I am advocating for the moral. But, in my opinion, the level of morality is higher than the physical, as I have already said. So, everyone decides for themselves. But if you come out with a protest against euthanasia one day, then most likely, I will be among your opponents

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