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No, Lord, this is just student experience.

But what do students have to do with it? They come and go, and usually don't bring anything new. Invention is mainly done by people who are materially interested in it.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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Maybe I misunderstood? You said that the professors' knowledge is their personal opinion, based on experience, or something like that? I probably didn't understand correctly.
 

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To be honest, I didn't understand you either.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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Okay, forget it. Let's talk about the nonsense you think they're spouting. Please, provide some arguments! I was just really bothered by such disrespect.
 

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Well, I’ve pretty much said everything. It’s not about disrespect; I’m not saying I didn’t respect them at all. It’s just that I formed a certain impression of them. And, in general, the word "respect" in this context already smacks of ageism and servility. And I don’t grovel before anyone.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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Well, I've basically said everything. It's not that I disrespect them, I'm not saying I don't respect them at all, it's just that, let's say, I formed such an impression of them. And in general, the word "respect" in this context already smells of ageism and sycophancy. And I don't grovel before anyone.

//Scientific Inquisitor Mode On//

Distinguish between
Groveling before someone older
and
Respecting someone whose experience is greater than your own.

Respecting someone who knows more does not harm one's honor.

By claiming that they are talking nonsense, you are thereby asserting that you are competent enough in what they are talking about to understand that they are talking nonsense (ergo, you know at least as much as they do, and your experience is superior).
Prove that you are more knowledgeable in biochemistry than the Vishmaster and, accordingly, his teachers.
If you can't prove it, bow to experience and accept it in its entirety.
Or don't engage in sophistry.

//Scientific Inquisitor Mode Off//

And if we leave personal attacks aside, Sat, what exactly is wrong with the explanation given by the Vishmaster (other than "the teachers are old conservatives")?




"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ


"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
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Obsequiousness is demonstrating one's own inferiority in comparison to someone else. But here, we're talking about the opposite: that teachers are usually smarter than you and me, which, however, doesn't mean we're stupid. Even if, due to some age-related reasons, they start exhibiting some quirks that might seem amusing, laughing (openly or to oneself) is a low act.
 

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Respect for those who know more does not diminish one's own honor.

This is easily debatable.
By claiming they are talking nonsense, you are asserting that you are competent enough in the subject they are discussing to understand that they are talking nonsense (ergo, you know at least as much as they do, and your experience is superior).

You are already resorting to personal attacks. The fact that I am less competent in certain specific areas related to biochemistry does not put me in a position where I should humble myself before everyone who is more competent.
professors are usually smarter than you and me

Elitism.
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This is easily debatable.
Try it.
You're already resorting to personal attacks. The fact that I am less knowledgeable in certain specific areas related to biochemistry does not put me in a position where I should be humbling myself before everyone who is more knowledgeable.
No one is asking you to humble yourself.
Egotism.
Teenage syndrome.
 

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Try it.

Okay. What is respect? It's reverence. That is, in a way, humiliation. Would you humiliate yourself before an opponent who knows more but doesn't know the truth?
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день
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SO, WHAT IS THE TRUTH?
© Pontius Pilate, 33 AD.

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And yes, if you don't see a difference between respect, reverence, and humiliation, I feel sorry for you.
And yes. No one is asking you to humiliate yourself. They are asking you to either say why Vishmaster's reasoning doesn't suit you, or agree with him.
"Make a choice!"
© Vorlons/Shadows, 2259 AD, according to "Babylon 5".




"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ


"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
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SO, WHAT IS TRUTH?

Let's say I'm discussing truth from the perspective of dialectical materialism.
And yes, if you don't see a difference between respect, reverence, and humiliation, I feel sorry for you.

Oh my god, what nonsense. I didn't even write that.
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From the dialectic:
"objective truth, i.e., knowledge whose content does not depend on either the individual or humanity."

Ergo, knowledge in biochemistry is truth because, regardless of whether it is stated by a professor from Moscow State University or a professor from MIT, it will not change. And it will not change even if it is considered by an alien from the hypothetical Proxima Centauri – the human organism remains unchanged relative to the observer.

In this case, the opposition of knowledge to truth is meaningless.

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And yes. Acknowledging that a teacher knows more than you is not servility, but a testable hypothesis.




"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ


"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
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This is deference. That is, in a way, humiliation.
Deference is not humiliation. Not in any way.
Would you humiliate yourself before an opponent who knows more but does not know the truth?
What do you mean? So, he knows a lie? What remarkable knowledge. Or are you saying that he knows more, but still not enough? No one knows enough; that's not an argument.
In short, respect and deference are a willingness or desire to emulate someone who has something that you don't. In our case, it's about learning from them.
 

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Let's get back to the topic. Sat, does Vishmaster's reasoning on the topic of "food substitute is worse than regular food" satisfy you?
If not, explain your position.




"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ


"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
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