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#440
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I wanted to write that Plato invented Atlantis, but I found this.

Наше оружие - неожиданность! Неожиданность и страх, страх и неожиданность - это два наших оружия! Плюс безжалостность - три наших оружия: страх, неожиданность и безжалостность! И ещё фанатичная преданность Папе - четвёртое! Наше оружие включает в себя... наше оружие включает в себя... страх, неожиданность... я сейчас!
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Yeah, there might be an error here. But after some brainstorming (and it wasn't just me), here are some potential benefits:
1) What exactly are they doing at the collider? We've always been told that they're accelerating and colliding particles there to obtain the Higgs boson, right? In that case, it's unclear why they even tried to accelerate the neutrino "to the maximum" – what's needed isn't the highest possible speed, but a specific one, so that everything can be calculated.
2) How did they measure the speed? I don't know of a method to directly measure the speed of something; usually, an indirect method is used – through energy. The energy of a relativistic particle is E=mc^2/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2). No matter how large it is, this formula gives v<c in any case. if v>c, E becomes imaginary. Did they get an imaginary E? Or did they measure v differently?
3) How did they accelerate a neutral neutrino? I thought they were accelerating electrons, like everyone else...
One word: magic.
 

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What if the speed of light was measured incorrectly back then?
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день



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2) And how did they measure the speed? I don't know of a method to directly measure the speed of something; usually, an indirect method is used – through energy. The energy of a relativistic particle is E=mc^2/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2). No matter how large it is, this formula gives vc, and E becomes imaginary. Did they obtain an imaginary E? Or did they measure v differently?

Well, there's actually another awesome method.
Take VERY accurate clocks.
Measure the distance VERY accurately.
Have an object run the distance.
Record the time.
Divide the distance by the time."




"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ


"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
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A noob method, used in ancient times.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день



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#446
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Amko
You have destroyed my cozy little world. How can I live now?
The world we knew is fading into the past. A new era is coming. Can you save Azeroth? World of Warcraft: The Full Pipec!
"Вот так и умирает свобода - под гром аплодисментов" ©

"Господа у вас вирусы, ворованная версия, кривые сидиромы или руки. Я точно не знаю, что именно, но думаю, что вас надо забанить" ©

"Великие умы обсуждают идеи. Средние умы обсуждают события. Мелкие умы обсуждают людей" ©
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How did they accelerate the neutral neutrino?

It seems that the first experiments on neutrino acceleration were conducted as early as 1962.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день



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Well, there's actually another awesome method.
Take VERY accurate clocks.
Measure the distance VERY accurately.
Have an object run the distance.
Record the time.
Divide the distance by the time.
Well, maybe that's how they did it. But, as I see it, there's just a terrible margin of error here. Although, 15,000 experiments...
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Lord, I want proof. Preferably with an explanation of the physical principle.
 

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I'm not well-versed in advanced physics; you can find proof in Wikipedia. It's quite simple.
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день



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I found some contradictory information in the wiki.
Experimental Particle Physics Experimental particle physics is divided into two main classes: accelerator-based and non-accelerator-based. Accelerator-based particle physics involves accelerating long-lived elementary particles in an (accelerator) to high energies and colliding them with each other or with a stationary target. In the process of such a collision, it is possible to obtain a very high concentration of energy in a microscopic volume, which leads to the birth of new, usually unstable, particles. By studying the characteristics of such reactions (the number of particles of a certain type produced, the dependence of this number on energy, the type, polarization of the initial particles, the angle of emission, etc.), it is possible to reconstruct the internal structure of the initial particles, their properties, and how they interact with each other. Non-accelerator-based particle physics is the process of "passive observation" of our world. In non-accelerator experiments, Nature is the supplier of elementary particles, and the researcher only needs to carefully monitor what is happening. Typical non-accelerator experiments include observing neutrinos in so-called neutrino telescopes, searching for proton decay, neutrinoless double beta decay, and other extremely rare events in a large volume of matter, and experiments with cosmic rays.
And here, by the way, at link number 17, there are some theoretical speculations about superluminal neutrino motion, written before yesterday's news. But I haven't read it.
 

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As I understand it, the accelerated neutrinos were obtained as a "byproduct" of the main experiment with the collider (searching for the Higgs boson) for separate neutrino experiments. In the spirit of "we collided particle beams at near-light speed, they interacted with each other, and as a result, we obtained antimatter, something else, and a whole lot of neutrinos. Oh, our colleagues need neutrinos for experiments! So, let the neutrinos go in that direction, and they can analyze them there."




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That's better. Let's continue: next, to measure the speed of the resulting neutrinos in a non-energetic way, we need special detectors. Detecting neutrinos with detectors is more difficult than doing it with photons; the detectors must have inertia. If the collider is not specifically designed for this, I don't think the accuracy of all this is sufficient.
 

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And it was OPERA (a separate part of the collider) that was involved in measuring the speed of neutrinos, specifically designed for working with neutrinos (see the description of the OPERA experiment), so it should have had enough accuracy and other features.




"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ


"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
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Okay. I suggest we leave the question about particles open and move on to more pressing topics. Let me put it this way: "food substitute." Indeed, what prevents us from developing, for example, tablets that, when taken, would allow a person to go without eating for, say, a week? Imagine the possibilities – a huge part of society is connected to the food industry in one way or another, and here, humanity would have a lot of free time!
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день