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The Mongols were engaged in animal husbandry. And they needed war to protect themselves. It's just that who is to blame that they not only defended themselves but also conquered their oppressors? The Mongols killed out of necessity, not out of malice. Their gods have a very interesting history. To begin with, Genghis Khan himself was a Tengriist, worshipping the Great Sky. Such a god, accordingly, had no idols. There were many Nestorians, Buddhists, and Muslims among the Mongols. Even Batu Khan's son, Sartak, was a Christian. So they were not going to kill anyone for their faith. Most likely, these were simply purification rituals, without any subtext, which the Russians perceived as idol worship. And they, accordingly, did not agree to this. And the Mongols perceived the refusal to purify as a sign of evil intent. And they were executed for this.

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There was no yoke in our usual understanding. The term "yoke" first appeared in the 18th century, when the Cossacks complained about the oppression from Peter and called this oppression a yoke. A military-political alliance was established with the Mongols, with the Mongols acting as suzerain and the Russians as vassals. The Russians paid a small tax, and the Mongols protected them from European knights and Lithuanians. And the Russians followed the treaty. Even the Battle of Kulikovo is a case where the Russian Prince Dmitry sided with the legitimate ruler of the Golden Horde, Tokhtamysh, against the usurper Mamai.
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Even the Battle of Kulikovo is an example of when the Russian Prince Dmitry sided with the legitimate ruler of the Golden Horde, Tokhtamysh, against the usurper Mamai.

I was just about to say that. :)
If the Rus' and the Tatars fought each other on this battlefield, then why did they later exchange embassies and sit down to feast together? :D
Was it the Blue Horde, perhaps?

Ah, on one side were the Crusaders, and on the other, the Tatars. But the Crusaders were spreading their faith. And the Tatars allowed people to worship their own gods and sleep peacefully – as long as they paid tribute.
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There were three hordes: the Blue Horde, located near Tyumen; the White Horde, located near Omsk; and the Golden Horde, located in the Volga region. Tokhtamysh was the khan of the Blue Horde, but since there was no legitimate Chinggisid heir left in the Golden Horde, and power had been usurped by the temnik Mamai, he marched against the Golden Horde. And the Russian princes supported the legitimate khan against the usurper.
The fact that Tokhtamysh later ravaged Moscow was simply because he couldn't imagine that one prince (from Ryazan) would tell lies about another (from Moscow). He simply believed the princes of Ryazan, who said that Dmitry was seeking an alliance with Lithuania and decided to prevent this.
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But there was also the White Horde, as far as I remember. In general, the Mongols sometimes oppressed people, but they also protected them.
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It doesn't matter whether they oppressed or protected. A person, especially a Russian, is such a being that they are not capable of living under someone else's "yoke" (figuratively speaking). Sooner or later, what happened to the Tatars and Mongols would have inevitably happened. Some country would have put an end to this whole thing with tribute and the like. Unfortunately for the Mongols, that country turned out to be Russia. When defending themselves, our people will always give the invaders a final blow to their territory, so that they won't dare to do it again in the future. Well, and... they miscalculated a bit... :D
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As far as I remember, the Czechs gave us a hook.
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And what did they do?
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The situation with the Czechs is quite amusing. A small Mongol detachment ventured into the Kingdom of Bohemia and was decisively defeated by superior forces. Since this was the only victory of Europeans over the Mongols, it was greatly exaggerated. In reality, the Mongols were simply pursuing a different objective – to finish off the Cumans who had fled to Hungary. And, incidentally, others suffered as a result.
As for the overthrow of the Mongol yoke, that also turned out to be quite peculiar. After the Golden Horde disintegrated into several warring states (the Kazan Khanate, the Astrakhan Khanate, the Crimean Khanate, etc.), there was no longer a single enemy. The yoke simply disappeared on its own, without any intervention from the Russians (the Stand on the Ugra River doesn't count, as there wasn't even a battle). The fragments of the Mongol states gradually became part of Russia, without even putting up much resistance. They simply perceived the Russian Tsar as the legitimate heir of Genghis Khan (which, in principle, was the case, considering that they were so closely related that 60-80% of the Russian aristocracy had Mongol-Tatar roots). The last remnants of the Mongol khanates became part of Russia only in the 19th century (the Kazakhs).
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Every state eventually collapses, even the most powerful one. The Golden Horde is proof of that.
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The collapse of a state depends not on its territory, but on a number of factors. First, the age of the main ethnic group. Second, the ethnic composition of the state. Third, external conditions (wars, etc.). And the list can go on. Colonies can only separate if there are a number of favorable factors for this, such as remoteness, a crisis in the metropolis, etc.
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What about America? It was a colony, but it became one of the most powerful states in the world.
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What about America? It was a colony, but it became one of the most powerful states in the world.

But if you look at what's going on there... :-/
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Here's an example with America, which confirms what I'm saying. After all, India, Canada, and Australia remained part of the British Empire. But the situation with the USA was different. It was a real melting pot. The most energetic people went there: bandits, heretics, sectarians, and so on. And since they had so much energy, they were able to break away. Other parts of the empire didn't have such a concentration of energetic people.
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And now they seem to have become a bit lazy. Many of them are overweight, although this is not necessarily an indicator.
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No matter what anyone says, American-style fast food is delicious, and as for laziness, have you ever seen a hardworking Russian?
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