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Offline StickyFingaz
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Currently, the only chance to create a "world league" is to convince Baratorch to implement an HD mod with a chat and rating system, similar to World of Tanks, and add a few useful features, plus connect the chat to the website of this league. And the chances are very high. Simply creating a website and trying to promote it to everyone – it won't work; we've already tried that.
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Right now, the only chance to create a "world league" is to convince Baratorch to implement an HD mod with a chat and rating system like in War Thunder, plus add a few useful features, and connect the chat to the website of this league. And the chances are very high. Simply creating a website and trying to promote it to everyone won't work; we've already tried that.
Just a chat, like in War Thunder, is too small in scale; we need something more substantial, like Garena, for example. Or even better, something new and high-quality, so that even all the newbies forget about their GameRanger.
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I already said – a chat and various features. Convenient game posting, a private VPN network, and moderation are the main things; everything else is open for discussion.
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The entire TOH community played on MSN.com. GR doesn't even come close.
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You are absolutely right, that's what I was thinking. But everything needs to be done gradually. Both things are necessary. But the most important thing is to organize who will be responsible for what. I'm discussing this with Baratorch. Ideally, the mod needs to be linked to the website, and videos and save files should be stored on a separate server (this is also planned as part of the website development). Simply password-protecting save files won't solve all the problems of cheating.

I hadn't really thought about my own VPN network. Share your knowledge and ideas.

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I read about VPN connections – there's nothing complicated about it. It's not a problem at all and it's very simple. The issue is that we're playing through free programs, and a private network would require paying the provider. Considering that we shouldn't rush into everything at once, but approach it in stages, we should create it by 2014, when sponsors appear and there's some return from the created world league. But in principle, this is easily solvable and not particularly expensive.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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“Don’t worry,” said Ostap, “my project guarantees unprecedented growth of your city’s productive forces. Think about what will happen when the tournament ends and all the guests leave. The residents of Moscow, burdened by the housing crisis, will flock to your magnificent city. The capital will automatically move to Vasyuki. The government will move here. Vasyuki will be renamed New Moscow, and Moscow will be renamed Old Vasyuki. The people of Leningrad and Kharkiv will gnash their teeth, but they can’t do anything about it. New Moscow will become the most elegant center of Europe, and soon, of the whole world.” “The whole world!” the stunned residents of Vasyuki groaned. “Yes! And later, the entire universe. The chess idea that transformed a provincial town into the capital of the Earth will turn into applied science and invent ways of interplanetary communication. Signals will be sent from Vasyuki to Mars, Jupiter, and Neptune. Communication with Venus will become as easy as moving from Rybinsk to Yaroslavl. And who knows, maybe in eight years, the first interplanetary chess tournament in the history of the universe will take place in Vasyuki!”
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.
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Offline R55Max
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Doesn't it seem strange that free wins are counted in tournaments but not in player reports? Why do free wins matter in tournaments but aren't reflected in the player rating?
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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R55Max
Doesn't it seem strange that free wins are counted in a tournament but not in the reports? Why do free wins matter in the tournament but aren't reflected in the rating?

No game, no rating change. I believe the players who exploited the system received their punishment in the form of being eliminated from the tournament and banned from all subsequent ones (by the way, where is the list of "such" players?). Or is that not enough for you, Max?
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Doesn't it seem a bit strange that easy wins are counted in tournaments but not in regular reports? Why do easy wins matter in tournaments but aren't reflected in the rating?

Everything is correct. A tournament is a tournament; even if you lose 112 times and don't restart, I still record the win.
In regular matches, only beginners or just bad players record such wins.
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Doesn't it seem a bit strange that "easy" wins are counted in tournaments but not in player ratings? Why do "easy" wins matter in tournaments but aren't reflected in the rating?
What does "easy" win mean? Losing on turn 111 or winning because the opponent didn't show up? If it's a loss on turn 111, then those reports are included in the rating, but if it's a win because the opponent didn't show up, then of course it's not included in the rating. I have many of those, and I've removed them all. The rating should reflect the player's skill, and a technical win doesn't show anything.
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No matter the game, the rating changes. I believe the players who cheated received their punishment in the form of being disqualified from the tournament and banned from all subsequent ones (by the way, where is this list of "such" players?). Or is Max not enough for you?
What list of players are you talking about?

I wasn't trying to interfere. I was just advocating for fairness. If the tournament rules state that if a player doesn't object, the results of the tournament games will be counted towards the rating, then that's how it should be, or are the rules being made up on the fly again?:) There was no game, but there is a result. Not showing up is essentially the same as forfeiting the game.

Tazar, as long as you continue to reason like this, the foundation of excuses for losses will remain strong. Any victory is a victory if it is the result within the rules! Why create rules if they are not followed? If the rules state that you can do three regenerations, then it's three, not two! If you agree to play by the rules, play by them, and don't get upset and point fingers at your opponent if they caused a loss. You also need to learn how to accept such losses. If you don't like it, don't play by the established rules; play by your own. In such cases, you need to change the rules, not your attitude towards the person who followed all the rules.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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The rating reflects the results of games within the established rules, not the results of the games played! The rules should be written down beforehand, not invented on the fly. I'm not advocating for any particular vision of this issue, but for adhering to the formally established rules. The rules are created before the game, not after.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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The rating reflects the results of games played within the established rules, not the results of the games themselves!
But I believe that it should reflect the results of the games played. Specifically, the games that were played.
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R55Max
The rating reflects the results of games within the established rules, not the results of the games played! You need to write it in the rules, not come up with it on the fly. I'm not advocating for my own vision of this issue, but for adhering to the formal rules, that's all. The rules are created before the game, not after it.

Oh, you'll end up in a bad place with such an attitude, and it wouldn't be so bad if it were relevant... But you're an adult, after all.

Specifically regarding this issue: The rules state that "The results of GAMES count towards the seasonal rating." No game - no discussion. Period.
Implement your ambitions, organize a tournament or two, gain some experience, and then you can teach us a thing or two.:smile09:
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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