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Beno is using a sexual disorder against our Pharmacist, who somehow got exposed. I won't explain how he got exposed, because that could give him away (unlikely, but just in case you didn't understand).
The Psychos have figured everyone out a long time ago, because they're not stupid. x2
Even if you find Beno now, his execution will be prevented.
Another confirmation of the need to execute Hostor.
And then what? A guessing game with the Pharmacist? When Neyra is blocked tonight, are you counting on the Pharmacist to reasonably predict the Psychos' moves and block the right person?
The Psychos and the Doctors have figured everyone out a long time ago, but the townies are clueless.
In other words, there are two options.
The ones you came up with.
Beno recruits the Pharmacist.
It's not a given that they've been figured out.
while Radonar
might already be hanging.
or Reyna kills the doctor.
Maybe he'll have a depressive phase? I'm not counting on it, but it's quite possible.
At the same time, the doctor-killer, who has been recruited, kills someone from the town.
That's just nonsense. It's not in their best interest to target the town right now. Either the Psychos or recruitment.
they have no reason to target the Psychos now, given their daytime executions; they'll just lose – it's during the Psychos' executions and the townies' killings that there's a small chance of winning.
That's what you think.
Rodfilg redirects the evil-doctor killer to the right town target, and someone from the remaining roles kills.
They've been figured out a long time ago, because they're not stupid?
The future prospects, given the ability to silence and the immunity from execution, are clear, right?
Another confirmation of the need to execute Hostor.
In short, he hasn't explained anything. Just speculation.
The FACT is that they will survive? But what's the benefit for the psychos if a maniac overpowers them?
2 – Outburst of rage: a kill that ignores all blocks and defenses (can die from a defender, in which case it kills both the target and the defender) – can be used once per game.
- Acute hebephrenic state – damages the target, ignoring defenses (the target dies the next night).
- Abulia – complete protection from external influences and a kill.
On top of all this, there's a crazy cop who will dominate. In general, someone here is a noob and a lol. I wonder who?
So. ALL YOUR POSTS, WHICH ARE HUNDREDS OF PAGES LONG, ARE BASED ON SPECULATION AND ONLY ON SPECULATION. I've said this again, okay.
Tomorrow holds no promises Except the ones we've made
Another confirmation of the necessity of Hostor's execution.
Maybe he will already be hanging from a noose.
You guys are going to regret this ^___^ I'm not a negative person.
Added 2 minutes later
Two villains, foaming at the mouth, express their authoritative opinion regarding the patient's medical history. Oh-oh-oh, ah-ah-ah-ah, WHAT SHOULD WE DO?!
1. The psychos figured everyone out long ago because they aren't fools. x2
2. Yet another confirmation of the need to execute Hostor.
3. The psychos and docs figured everyone out long ago, while the town fools haven't figured out anyone at all.
4. Made up by you.
5. Not a fact that they figured it out.
6. Might already be hanging in a noose.
7. Maybe a depressive phase will hit? I'm not counting on it, but it's entirely possible.
8. This is just nonsense. It's completely disadvantageous for them to touch the town right now. Either leave the psychos alone or recruit.
9. That's just your opinion.
10. Also figured out long ago because they aren't fools?
11. Yet another confirmation of the need to execute Hostor.
12. In short, he didn't explain a damn thing. Just conjectures.
1. Because HOS is among them. That says it all. If I see it, he sees it too. Keep convincing yourself that he doesn't if it makes your life more peaceful. :/
2. Lol what? Let's just waste a day for nothing; that's way cooler than a successful execution of the evil-doc?
3. Again, what? Why are you fixated on "figuring out"? I mean that one of three psychos will go to kill, and the Pharmacist will have to somehow guess which of the three. And, actually, I'm assuming the Pharmacist does know these three psychos—but even then the chance of success is 33%, and if not all are known...
4. Umm, well-thought-out, not "made up." Logical options, not brilliant ones—just not stupid. The psycho-mafia has Hos, the evil-docs have Ar—they aren't blind.
5. Again, go ahead, keep convincing yourself that Hos doesn't know how to play. :/
6. Naive. Do you really believe that a real Radonar, given the town's current mood regarding the alliance, would hint at himself? Especially since it's Hos.
7. As an option—yes. That's why I say there will be three possible killers, and who actually goes is another question.
8-9. Imagine the evil-docs kill a psycho. What profit? Stop competitors from winning while failing themselves in the process? Why, if they can reduce the number of townies and recruit at the key moment? Of course, they can recruit now if a suitable target is known, but I'm not insisting that they've identified one. Disadvantageous to touch the town? Even though there are three of them and seven townswomen? I don't know what else to say here... :/
10. An evil-doc killer—yes, most likely, because there are only 2 options. And after this night, there will be only one if it comes to that. A necessary town target—I didn't mean a specific role harmful to the psychos; I mean they'll target a townie, someone who could be Patrick, for example. Note that it doesn't say "role," it says target.
11. Are you still on about wasting Dimension Door? //_\ You'll get torn apart while you get rid of one half of the DD, then the second half of the DD, and then start executing Radonar. How can you hope to survive long enough to engage in such elementary harassment?
12. That little phrase reminds me of someone... //_\
Vissi, you're actually funny. Thanks for enlightening us that Reil is dead. :D Yes, it's a fact that 3 out of 4 blockers will survive another night if the psycho-mafia doesn't gang up and start taking us down. Is that clearer? You and your colleague should decide whether the cop will help the town or the psychos... :D But the point remains that he didn't help us today, even though he already should have. There's nothing to discuss here.
Even if we fight, even if there’s such thing I will not give up Just like this, I won't let go Strongly grasping your right hand’s warmth I’ll be here
Well, Revanko said everything correctly, it's just speculation. :D Instead of trying to outsmart, let's be friends with the Mafia. //_\
And you're still talking about wasting DD? //_\ Yes, you will be torn to shreds while you get rid of one half of DD, then the other half of DD, and then you will start executing Radonar.
PSYCHO HAS BEEN EXPOSED!!
Tomorrow holds no promises Except the ones we've made
Because Hos is among them. That says it all. If I see it, he sees it too.
Speculations. Assumptions. Not an argument at all.
Lol what? Let's waste the day for nothing; that's much cooler than a successful execution of a zlodok?
Not for nothing at all. If it's not Radonar, we'll cut down the same-old OP Dimension Door. And intentionally cutting zlodoks while another mafia is still at full strength is exactly what will lead to defeat. From psychos.
Again, what? Why are you so fixated on calculating?
I'm fixated? You've been saying from the very beginning that everyone who could have already calculated everyone else. And it's precisely on these guesses that you build your versions.
Umm, well-thought-out, not pre-//-. Logical options, not brilliant ones—just not stupid. The psychomafias have Hos, the zlodoks have Ar—they aren't blind.
Speculations. Assumptions. Not an argument at all.
Again, go on, keep convincing yourself that Hos doesn't know how to play. :/
Not an argument.
Naive. Do you really believe that the real Radonar, given the town's mood regarding the alliance, would hint at himself? Especially since it's Hos.
Not an argument.
Imagine the zlodoks killing a psycho. What profit?
According to you, Hostor absolutely cannot be Radonar. In that case, there are seven townies and four psychos. Is it profitable for zlodoks to cut the town and leave the psychos alone in such a layout? I don't know what else to say here. But how they will move is also speculation. Just like yours.
Are you still on about wasting Dimension Door? //_\ You'll be torn apart while you get rid of one half of the Dimension Door, then the second half of the Dimension Door, and then start executing Radonar. How can anyone hope to survive long enough to engage in such elementary harassment?
That's not the point. Cutting half a Dimension Door is better than practically destroying one of the mafias, leaving the town against a full roster of mentally ill mafia.
And the point remains that he didn't help us today, even though he should have by now. There's nothing to talk about here.
In any case, victory together with him is possible according to the rules of the game, but with psychos—it is not.
In summary:
1. Hossi is not a good player, at best he's mediocre. Is that clear? You're mistaken, Hossi is a noob, Reinhard guarantees it.
2. It's better to cut down overpowered damage dealers, leave the psychomafia intact, and not touch the current lineup of villains, than to leave the psychomafia intact and worsen the current situation of the villains. Right, why are we offending one mafia while not offending the other?! It's better not to offend anyone!
It's better to cut half of the damage dealers than to destroy the mafia!
3. It's all speculation. It's all not arguments. It's all assumptions. Everyone is a fool and doesn't even try to figure anyone out.
4. The concept of a "patch" doesn't exist; there are only conditions for victory, and thinking outside the box is forbidden.
Even if we fight, even if there’s such thing I will not give up Just like this, I won't let go Strongly grasping your right hand’s warmth I’ll be here
Messages from Gil4 Please, be more specific about what the chances are. Yesterday evening, I outlined quite specific moves. What will happen after the alliance breaks. There are no chances of winning there. Either it's an excuse from the doctor-killer: "there are chances, but I won't say what they are, but I need to keep my reputation intact for the vote on Jose," or it's just an approximate forecast that turns out to be incorrect.
1) Well, let's assume we execute Wisstrit. Judging by the game of Mafia, tonight either the doctor-killer or Mana was wounded. If the pharmacist doesn't heal him (which would essentially be a betrayal), after the execution, we'll have a situation of 7-1(2 if the surgeon was wounded)-4-1 if the doctor was wounded, or 7-2(3)-4-0 if Mana was wounded. We continue to trust the Mafia and help them. The surgeon will successfully recruit with a probability of 13-21%, and even then, he might encounter a block, and judging by the killers' game, this is very likely. :) It's not difficult to calculate the possible scenarios after the 5th night... (the killers will either play along with the Mafia and eliminate a peaceful player, or they will continue to try to do something to the Mafia... they won't see victory in any case; the Mafia, judging by the game, has already identified most of the roles and will kill another killer or Mana), but all of this depends on the fact that the Mafia won't betray us. But in the end, we have a situation where the advantage is in the hands of the Mafia, and they will voluntarily give it up... maybe, but it's unlikely... if you convince me that the Mafia won't betray us, I will vote against Wisstrit. ;)
2) Let's assume we execute Jose. If he is Ranodar, most likely, after the execution, we will have a situation of 7-2(3)-3-1(0). The Mafia is confused. The doctor-killers have a chance. This situation is called "adding fuel to the fire." What will happen next depends on the skill of each team. But if it turns out that Jose is not Ranodar, he is saved. The "alliance" is broken. And what will happen next is also unknown (too many combinations and possibilities). Luck will play a significant role here.
And we are faced with a choice: - trust the Mafia based only on your words. - hope that the City won't be betrayed. I would say that these chances are equal.
Have something: 1. Hossi and Gill are good players; it's common knowledge that good players have access to the GM panel and know all the roles by default. 2. We need to eliminate one Mafia faction so that only one remains, allowing it to breathe freely and declare victory. 3. Everything Gill says is an axiom; anyone who disagrees is a fool. 4. The concept of a "pat" is widely used in Mafia, and it can always be calculated and achieved.
The rosy-elephant-rainbow-colored outcome that you CALCULATED (actually, just assumed) is not a "pat" but a DELIBERATE loss. It's interesting how playing chess with only two pawns always leads to such an outcome, isn't it?
Tomorrow holds no promises Except the ones we've made
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