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Offline Gil4
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Hostor cannot be a viceroy because Vis revealed the list of those who voted for Nebo's execution, which includes Hossi. But there is no double vote visible.
You're getting on my nerves... Sorry, but really...
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Okay, fine, I didn't read them. But no one is going to execute Hosa right now anyway. Just like some people say they don't have enough evidence and arguments to execute someone, I also don't have enough arguments to execute Neyra. I can vote for Slonysh and Rimp, because both have a 33% chance of being innocent.

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So, for those who have just joined the thread, or for those who find it tedious to read twenty-five pages of rambling, I will summarize.

Slonysh.

All roles with protection:
- advisor;
- duke;
- boss;
- Knight;
- thief;
- golem;
- mistress;
- dancer.

Not the boss, because the boss made a move.
Not a Knight and not a thief for obvious reasons.
A duke wouldn't direct the shooter at himself, that is correct.

That leaves two town roles and two mafia players. Of course, artistic flourishes are just flourishes, but in my opinion, the newspaper text clearly states how the Knight missed his target.

Conclusion - Slonik is either the mistress or the dancer.

Additionally - if Thoriy is the advisor, then Slonysh only has a chance of being the golem. If Thoriy was the duke and Slonysh is the advisor - she cannot be put in prison. If Slonysh is the golem, she will be rescued by the angel.
Not a fact, but interesting - "Sacred Fury" is the name of the newspaper; a meaningful name.

In total, two main candidates for execution: Slonysh and yesterday's Rimpel. Rimpel was poisoned, which means if he is mafia, he won't move anyway, and he can be executed tomorrow, because if there is a chance to take out the dancer today, it's better to do it. No one will catch her until a whole bag of evidence is collected against her, and that won't happen, as she hasn't left a single piece of evidence so far. She has innate protection, she can be protected by the mistress, or she can use the crescent dance.

What has been happening on the last twenty pages of the thread? On the last twenty pages of the thread, votes are being split between the first candidate for execution - Slonysh - and a randomly chosen Neyra by Gil. The justification for executing Neyra is: "the mafia players used note cancellation so that the alchemist wouldn't report she is non-human (despite the presence of three non-human town roles)," and "the mafia blocked themselves."
Now Gil has deflated a bit, because since then he hasn't provided any arguments other than "trust my intuition," and out of anger shifted his vote to Arandor, apparently for further splitting or in hope of such an ХВ player pattern as "execute Arandor."

What is Gil ultimately proposing? He proposes "risking" an unsuspicious player "to cover roles," suggesting we leave the suspected Slonysh-dancer, "because we know her and will block her if necessary," but Slonysh-dancer moves before everyone else, and on the next night uses the crescent dance, and by doing so we:
- hang a completely random player today, likely a townie;
- get another mafia kill at night or even two from the Knight;
- be unable to hang anyone at all the next day;
- lose.

That is a brief description of what's happening this day, as well as certain calculations regarding candidates for imprisonment.
Decide, you clueless town.
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Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm the Mafia. I believe in different information and different theories. If I'm wrong, so be it, because you can't always be right, right? Sometimes people trust the wrong people. But they don't do it for no reason; they have their own reasons. I have my reasons too.
Here. If we don't execute Slonysh or Rimp tonight, I'll cause chaos. This is my final word.

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And yes, I don't think the Dungeon faction will be able to win as long as the Castle has a Knight that deals significant damage.

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Morning
1. There are two worlds and two Mafia members left. Of course, artistic flourishes are artistic flourishes, but I think the newspaper clearly states that the Knight was aiming at his target.

Conclusion - Elephant is either the Seer or the Dancer.

2. Plus, if Thorius is the Advisor, then Elephant has a chance of being only a Golem. If Thorius was the Duke and Elephant was the Advisor, she cannot be sent to jail. If Elephant is a Golem, an angel will rescue her.
It's not a certainty, but it's interesting - "Sacred Fury" is the name of the newspaper, and it's a meaningful name.

3. What's been happening in the last twenty pages of the thread? In the last twenty pages, the votes are being scattered between the first candidate for execution - Elephant - and a randomly chosen Gil Nairy. The justification for executing Nairy is: "the Mafia used the note cancellation to prevent the Alchemist from reporting that she is a non-town role (despite the presence of three non-town town roles)", and "the Mafia blocked themselves".

4. Now, Gil has lost some momentum because he hasn't provided any arguments other than "trust my intuition", and out of spite, he has shifted his vote to Arandor, presumably to further scatter the votes or in the hope of a pattern typical of a town player: "execute Arandor".

5. What does Gil propose in the end? He proposes "risking" a non-suspicious player "to cover the roles", suggesting that we leave the presumed Elephant-Dancer, "because we know her and will block her if necessary", and the Elephant-Dancer goes first, and on the next night, she uses the Half-Moon Dance, and thus:
- we will hang a completely random player today, probably a town member;
- we will get another kill from the Mafia at night, or even two from the Knight;
- we will not be able to hang anyone at all the next day;
- we lose.
I've numbered them for easy reading.
1. The town should not reveal a player's role in ANY way. The fact that you don't understand this and keep insisting on it makes me think. You've played before.
2. Blah-blah-blah, we're not risking anything except wasting a day and losing. I'm tired of repeating this.
And what thoughts did the name give you? Give me a specific interpretation.
3. Am I the only one who voted for Nairy, and that's scattering the votes? No one supported me; it looks very much like a Mafia leak, yes. And you're just watching, but you don't see.
4. Yes, that's how it was, out of spite. <- Sarcasm, if that's not clear.
I can't comment here without revealing the meaning of my actions.
5. You're writing with the assumption that some people are too lazy to read. I was especially amused by the part about the block! What a masterpiece! I NEVER said that we would be able to block her! You came up with that on the fly; I've just been saying that she's a TOWN member. The fact that you're inventing my supposed phrases is killing me.
You're looking at the situation too narrowly, very narrowly. Again, with the assumption that some people are lazy.
Here's how you can look at this situation from a different angle:
1. We execute Elephant.
2. We reveal her role to the Mafia so they know who to kill.
3. We waste a day.
4. We lose as a result of the fact that a wasted execution now ALREADY leads to a loss.

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And yes, I don't think the Mafia can win as long as the town has a Knight who can kill.
Yes, they'll just die laughing when the Knight takes down a couple more of ours.
Do you want to free Nebko? Go ahead. Go ahead. Prove your role. He's still without a companion, and he won't interfere with us, and the Governor can use Military Command. Go ahead, Lucifer.



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2. Reveal her role to the Mafia so they know who to kill.
They definitely won't ignore healing the Sorceress.
The Viceroy can use Military Decree.
He'll kill an innocent and end up with nothing. That would be funny, right?

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Are you only concerned about point 2, but not point 4?



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Morning!

Why don't you consider what benefits Slonysh could gain from the abbot's blessing?

Sincerely,
Gur
"Пришел, увидел и пропил..."

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Did I mention anywhere that the Viceroy should use the Military Decree immediately and randomly, Ar? Quote it.



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Gil, understand this: even if she's peaceful, the Mafia will still kill her! She can only be a Golem or Advisor. In any case, they don't need her role. She's not a long-term player. But if she's not Mafia, the Mafia will waste a kill on her, which will give the Seer a lead. They might use Eclipse, but then the town can execute a Mafia member. If she's a Dancer, the town will be in a much better position. In conclusion, executing the Elephant is the best option in our case. Executing Arandor won't give you anything except a pointless loss or a bad Night Narrative Vote.
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I meant to say "survive."

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What thoughts did the name inspire in you? Give a specific interpretation.
I already gave you an interpretation, about thirty pages ago. Do you even read other people's posts, or do you just put all your energy into your own?
3. Am I the only one who voted for Ney, and is that splitting the votes? No one supported me; it looks like a Mafia-style betrayal, yes. And you're just watching, but you don't see.
You voted for Ney, your friends voted for Lizard, now you two are voting for Arch, "because you didn't believe the arguments for executing Ney." There are two votes here, two votes there, two votes everywhere. Don't play dumb; you know exactly what's going on.
I was especially impressed by the block! What a masterpiece! I NEVER SAID that we could block her! You made that up on the spot.
You did. "Oh, we have a thief, a witch, a knight, a leader; they'll protect us if anything happens, guys."
I'm just constantly stating that she's INNOCENT.
Your claims are baseless and unsupported. Your statement ABSOLUTELY has no arguments, except for "I have facts in my head, and I also have intuition," but you were quick to accuse Neyra, and now you've completely shifted your vote to Ara. That's not very logical, Mr. Analyst.
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