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Offline WhiteLizard
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Should I write here to execute Rimpel so that you calm down? Yes, it's not the best move, considering his poisoning, but at least it will be -1 mafia player, and in case of an attempt to execute me, the town will lose another day, great, the mafia players applaud. So, given today's murder without evidence, I will vote against Rimpel, okay.
It’s definitely not the best idea because there is a spread :( Write "execute myself".
And regarding supporting Rimpel, you can read about it on this page; I didn't look for names, or they would accuse me of collusion.
I am for executing Neyra. Unexpectedly, yes, I know.
Well, yes, the version about her unfavorable role has already been voiced, but this is not reliable o_O, and now again lol, they are trying to scatter votes. Honestly, I really don't want to inadvertently accuse anyone, but they are acting like mafia players!
They were blocking exactly her when the Archer was killed. Why not send the Dancer back on a mission, who has a chance of having no clues? If they started with the Dancer, why send the Archer now?

My main argument is the balance. 9/6. If we waste a day, it will become 8/6. And if we also make a mistake with Rimpel, which is quite possible... Then we will lose.
1) The answer is that the archer was sent because there was a fire that night, so everything is transparent without any tricks.
2) Actually, the balance is equal at 9/6; the advisor will still not be put in jail. But the chances that Slonysh is a mafia player are significantly higher. So think carefully and vote rationally, even if you think differently. We, those who are for the town, must act collectively so that the mafia players are left speechless! So let's not deviate from the goal and gather enough votes today.

Execute Slonysh - 5 votes (Arandor, Morning, Xostor, WhiteLizard, WishmasteR)
Execute Rimpel - 2 votes (Amko, Slonysh)
Execute Neyra - 1 vote (Gil4)
8 votes are needed for execution.

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Offline Слоныш
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Sorry for interrupting your usual discussions, but I'm curious: where is the Technomage's path tonight? Doesn't it go to all blockers? Did the Technomage encounter a Sorceress? Or is the Technomage a Taco? :confused:
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Offline Happy Life
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Go ahead and explain why you think Slonik is peaceful. Do you have some kind of solid theory? Or is it just based on personal relationships between players?
I hope you understand that no peaceful player would go for this "innovative move," except maybe a Knight who dropped his helmet as a child.
So, did you at least solve the puzzle?
My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.
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Offline Arandor
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Rimp, where are your favorite artworks? They would be perfect for this topic right now.

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Arandor
Rimp, where are your favorite artworks? They would be perfect for this topic.
I would start by asking where Rimp is. They're going to execute him, and he's just wandering around. Surely he didn't poison himself.
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Offline Luis
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:smile48: I'm reading this and I don't understand the logic at all. Ten pages of unclear rambling, first everyone was for punishing Slonysh, then for Rimp, now for Neyru... and it's all based on intuition. Is this some kind of obvious mafia game? :confused:



I can hear them hound dogs howlin'
Chasin' that old fox
Where I used to roam
Down there in the country
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Offline Happy Life
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But they’re not executing Rimpel today, are they?
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Offline Gil4
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Arandor
Aren't the numbers the same with Elephant?
No, because I'm almost certain about it.

Liz, I understand how my action looks, I really do. And I doubt you'll understand me. But at least my conscience will be clear when I lose.
"Not reliable"? Doesn't it surprise you that no one is paying attention to Vis's explanation? He clearly suggested that this description could be applied to ANY natural defense. But everyone ignored it and started playing by the principle of screwing over the player. Like how I screwed over Ney in round 29, even though the odds were much more in her favor.
Morning
Well, justify Elephant's peacefulness. I assume you have some solid theory? Or is it just personal feelings between players?
I hope you understand that no peaceful player would go for this "innovative move," except maybe a knight who was dropped as a child.
So, did you at least solve the clue?
First, there was a hint between the lines, then a direct statement. Mafia usually uses direct statements right away. Plus, throughout the game, I only see peaceful behavior from her, sorry for the "lol psychology." No comments about personal relationships, except that if you meant that I'm good at reading Elephant, then you're right.
I understand. But I hope not everything is lost.
Nope, I can't offer anything new.

Edit: Although, in that case, there wasn't a very strong "hint between the lines" either, but it was ignored.



Even if we fight, even if there’s such thing
I will not give up
Just like this, I won't let go
Strongly grasping your right hand’s warmth
I’ll be here
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Offline Happy Life
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I doubt that this city will satisfy your intuition, so you can have a clear conscience in the end.
I, for example, won't. I prefer a bird in the hand to yet another calculation of probabilities, which you offer in every game, regardless of the faction.
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Offline Слоныш
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Morning
But they're not executing Rimpel today :)
Are you seriously not understanding the situation?
Well, explain why Slonik is peaceful. I assume you have some solid theory? Or is it just personal relationships between the players?
I might still doubt whether Gil is a Mafia member (if he is, it would be in his favor to throw me or anyone else under the bus), but you, how do you explain this? He first directed the town's suspicions towards me, and then backed off. Personal sympathy? Is that really how you explain the sudden shift in his attitude? First, his sympathy level dropped, and then it jumped back up?

Morni, if you're truly not a Mafia member, please read Gil's post carefully. As strange as it was for me to see, there's a rational core to it, and most importantly, it's all absolutely logical. Where do you see any inconsistencies?
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Offline Happy Life
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He first directed the city's suspicions towards me, and then retracted them. Personal sympathies? Seriously, the sympathy level first dropped and then jumped back up within an hour?
It's a standard mafia tactic; you've played this game before, and so have I. This "argument" doesn't hold water. I can already foresee how Hostor will soon change his vote, justifying it with some "rational reasoning," which is perfectly clear to you, seasoned players with thousands of games under your belts.
And most importantly, everything there is absolutely logical. Where do you see any inconsistencies?
1) The mafia could have easily orchestrated this to eliminate a peaceful player and buy themselves an extra day. This is the most likely scenario.
2) No one has even tried to fit any evidence to this theory yet.
3) Eliminating a passive player, especially Nera, who is impossible to read, is another standard mafia move.
4) They killed her with an archer because she's the least useful; this has already been mentioned. They were afraid of eliminating the dancer in a risky situation, as they don't know exactly who the killer is targeting.
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Offline Gil4
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Morning
I doubt the town will satisfy your intuition, so you'll end up feeling guilty.
I wouldn't, for example. I'd rather have a bird in the hand than another calculation of probabilities, which you throw around in every game regardless of faction affiliation.
My conscience is already clear because I made the attempt. The rest is up to you.
Another calculation of probabilities, thanks to which you're going to vote for Elephant, because "lol, defense"? :) That's also a calculation of probabilities – comparing the number of players with defense among the Mafia and the Villagers. So, you shouldn't say that you disagree only because of that. Because, according to that logic, you should vote for Rimpel if you believe in that clue (and judging by your posts, you do), because the execution of Elephant is a consequence of the calculation of probabilities. :/



Even if we fight, even if there’s such thing
I will not give up
Just like this, I won't let go
Strongly grasping your right hand’s warmth
I’ll be here
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Offline Luis
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Clonish and Gil are 100% sure, but for now, Kazit Rimpel.



I can hear them hound dogs howlin'
Chasin' that old fox
Where I used to roam
Down there in the country
Callin' me to Black River Swamp
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Offline Gil4
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Slonysh
I might still doubt whether Gill is Mafia (if he is, then it would be beneficial for him to frame me or any other player)...
But why would I take such a risk to protect a peaceful player? The point is that I wouldn't care who gets executed, as long as it's not one of my own.

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Morning
1) The Mafia could have easily orchestrated this to eliminate a peaceful player and gain an extra day. This is the most likely scenario.
2) No one has even tried to connect it to any evidence.
3) Eliminating a passive player, especially Neyra, who is impossible to tell whether she's Mafia or not, is another standard Mafia tactic.
4) They killed with an Archer because she's the least useful; they already mentioned this. They were afraid of eliminating the Dancer, as it's unclear who the Maniac is targeting.
1. This isn't an argument, you know. You can be Mafia and frame a peaceful Slonysh – what's the difference? Most likely? :) You'll be surprised. 2. Hmm... How? If you haven't noticed, I don't think Neyra is the Archer. :/
3. Possibly, although I've only seen this happen once in my games. Not just seen it, but I've done it myself.
4. In my opinion, there was no need to be afraid of choosing such a victim. It would have been beneficial for the Maniac to target someone who would make more moves. But I know this isn't an argument. Reinhardt was close to being invisible after the first night.



Even if we fight, even if there’s such thing
I will not give up
Just like this, I won't let go
Strongly grasping your right hand’s warmth
I’ll be here
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Offline Arandor
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Gil, as I understand it, the fact that note-passing has been canceled today, and what else, suggests that Nayra is indeed involved in some kind of mafia activity.

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