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The Phoenix Order challenges you to a duel!

Inter-clan tournaments.
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Offline Qwerty
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Despite AmberSoler's logical objection, the team tournament, as I envision it, involves pairs.
We can field two players in the second Heroes: Qwerty and Zingel.
Pair formation is up to "E Pluribus Unum".
In this case, we field three players in "Best of the Best": AmberSoler, Geksorin, and Darth Saruman.
Everyone plays on "impossible" difficulty.

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Despite AmberSoler's logical objection, a team tournament as I see it implies pairs.
We can field two fighters in the second tier: Qwerty and Zingel.
The formation of pairs is at the choice of "E Pluribus Unum".
In this case, we field three fighters in "Best of the Best": AmberSoler, Geksorin and Darth Saruman.
Everyone plays on "impossible".
Fine, I don't object to a pairs classification...
In that case, our choice is as follows:
Pair 1: Ta Kotoraya... - Darth Saruman (3rd tier)
Pair 2: Adelaide - Geksorin (3rd tier)
Pair 3: OlegRS - AmberSoler (3rd tier) It is also possible for Oleg to play in the 2nd tier instead of the 3rd — this matter is currently being clarified ;) (in that case, a different opponent will be chosen, of course)
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So, I got Adelaide :) - very interesting, but let's do it online...
Герой в каждом из нас...:rolleyes:

"Истинно могуч тот, кто побеждает самого себя"
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Yeah, I got Adelaide :) - very interesting, but let's do it online...

We are competing within the "Best of the Best" tournament, which is offline.
But we will definitely play online as well;)
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Okay, but only then tell me what difficulty level you are playing on?
Герой в каждом из нас...:rolleyes:

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Dividing participants into pairs is highly subjective, in my opinion, because it doesn't take into account the gap between the winner and the underdog. For example:

1st pair: 3rd place/20th place
2nd pair: 18th place/15th place

The score will be 1-1. And would you say that the teams are equal?..
Swap the players, and it will be 2:0 with the same results.

Pairing only makes sense when considering a "weight category," but we only have one.
Therefore, it is better to consider the arithmetic mean of the total scores of each team...

Good day to everyone.

I previously suggested that we calculate based on the arithmetic mean – this is a MORE objective assessment.

And AmberSoler has once again demonstrated the advantages of this system.
It also makes your task of dividing into pairs easier: Play well, and the best will be counted.

It will also make the competition more accessible for several clans to compete SIMULTANEOUSLY!

Otherwise, the outcome might not be exactly what we want to see from these matches...

Sincerely,
Prorock.

Как много в жизни есть путей
Для добродетелей и мира.

Я вернулся...
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Got it, but then tell me what difficulty level you're playing on?
We all agreed that the game will be on impossible difficulty. We have other players for Normal difficulty...
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Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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Guys, since all six players are participating in the same tournament, we could try AmberSoler's idea. Here are some options for calculating the score: 1. The sum of points for completing the map. The team with the higher score wins. 2. The sum of days taken to complete the map. The team with the lower score wins. 3. The sum of the participants' placements. The team with the lower score wins. What do you think?

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1. The total score depends on the number of captured towns. The tournament winner at the end of the game may not have a single town in their possession, which is quite possible and could result in them having significantly fewer points than the others... Similarly, it would be pointless to make the total amount of gold players have a criterion for victory. The reason is clear. All players will spend their resources on mercury because this is a condition of the tournament – the amount of mercury is taken into account in case of a tie in other parameters.

In other words, the top three players may have fewer towns in total than the bottom three... Therefore, this criterion will not work.

2. The second and third points proposed above are proportional to each other, so you can choose either of them.
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A small clarification.
Let's consider the following scenario:
Team 1 showed the following results:
2nd place (36 days), 5th place (62 days), 10th place (321 days).
Total places - 17, total days - 419.
Team 2 showed the following results:
3rd place (39 days), 8th place (69 days), 9th place (71 days).
Total places - 20, total days - 179.

According to the placement score, Team 1 is ahead, and according to the total days, Team 2 is ahead.

At first glance, I personally think that the option with the total days is slightly preferable. But this is just my opinion.
Please share your thoughts!

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I agree. The total score depends on the results of other players who are not in clans. The total number of days is the most independent parameter. I don't object to point 2 – the total number of days spent completing the map.
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Guys, the traffic might run out at any moment, and I'll be offline until December 1st. All members of our clan are authorized to negotiate match arrangements. Due to the lack of hierarchy within the clan, all our members have the right to speak on behalf of the clan, and I agree in advance with any agreements you reach while I'm unavailable. Starting December 1st, I'll be fully online.

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A small clarification.
Let's consider the following scenario:
Team 1 showed the following results:
2nd place (36 days), 5th place (62 days), 10th place (321 days).
Total places - 17, total days - 419.
Team 2 showed the following results:
3rd place (39 days), 8th place (69 days), 9th place (71 days).
Total places - 20, total days - 179.

According to the placement score, Team 1 is ahead, but according to the total days, Team 2 is ahead.

At first glance, I personally think that the option with the total days is slightly preferable. But this is just my opinion.
Please share your thoughts!
There is another possible scenario.
Let's assume there are only 2 teams (5 people each) and the results are:
The first four places are taken by Team 1 with the following results (in days): 5, 6, 7, 8.
The next five places are taken by Team 2 with the following results: 20, 31, 42, 53, 60.
And the last place is again taken by Team 1 with a result of 365.
Team 1 clearly has an advantage, but due to one player, they lose in terms of the total number of days.

In my opinion, the results should be summarized based on the average arithmetic of the placements.
Although, I don't know. There is again a duality here. An analysis of the specific case is needed.
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I agree with you; we should use days as the main parameter, and the places in the tournament table should be considered as the overall result of the tournament evaluation. Therefore, they cannot be used as an objective criterion for evaluation in the inter-clan standings. In general, I'm in favor of option 2.
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I have another idea, but I don't have time to test it. :)

Let's say 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places get 200, 150, 130, and 100 conditional points, respectively. Places 5th to 10th all get 70 points, 10th to 20th get 50 points, 20th to 40th get 30 points, and from 40th to the end, they get 15 points. Then we would have a more balanced scoring system. It all depends on the clan leaders.
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