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The Phoenix Order challenges you to a duel!

Inter-clan tournaments.
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Team #1 clearly has an advantage, but due to one player, they lose when considering the total number of days.

In my opinion, the average result should be used.
Can you imagine a relay race? The "clear advantage" of the first three participants can be lost in the final leg. And who will remember this "clear advantage"? We have exactly the same situation.

As for "place or days," it's certainly more common to consider the place. But it depends on other "external" participants. For example, I might be only 2 days behind you. But 30 people are between us... So, how do you compare our places? And at the same time, you might be 10 days behind the leader, but in terms of places, you're right behind him... This creates an imbalance.

Preliminary summary:

Option #1. The total number of days for all team members is taken into account. The team with the lowest total wins.

Option #2. As a Solomon-like solution, we can propose the following calculation scheme: all six participants are ranked from 1st to 6th place based on their individual results. Then, the average is calculated. The team with the lowest average wins... :D

Let's think and choose. We have time. Otherwise, we can run the calculation using both systems. And each team can choose the one they like best :D After all, it's not about winning – "the main thing is to get Wisdom!" (c) Am I right? :)
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I have another idea, but I don't have time to test it. :) Let's say 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places get 200, 150, 130, and 100 conditional points, respectively. 5th to 10th places all get 70 points, 10th to 20th places get 50 points, 20th to 40th places get 30 points, and from 40th place to the end, they get 15 points. Then we have a more balanced scoring system.
Oh, mathematicians... :D That won't work! (c)

The problem is how to set the coefficients. Why specifically 200-150-130... and so on? What if it's 457-351-258...? The final result will be completely different. So, introducing coefficients is a thankless task. It needs to be justified, but is it necessary?
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Option #1. The total number of days for all team members is taken into account. The team with the lowest total wins.

Option #2. As a Solomon-like solution, we can suggest the following calculation scheme: all six participants are ranked based on the results of their individual scores, i.e., from 1st to 6th place (among themselves).
Then, calculate the arithmetic mean. The team with the lower mean wins... :D
I like both options... I suggest not choosing, but trying both options, taking option #1 as the main one, and the second as an additional one... So that in subsequent tournaments we know how to be more objective ;)


P.S. Regarding the composition of our team, OlegRS has finally decided on the version - it will be Heroes of Might and Magic III after all. So, all three of us will compete in this discipline.
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Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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I like both options... I suggest not choosing, but trying both. Let's take option #1 as the main one, and the second one as an additional one... So that in subsequent tournaments, we know how to be more objective. ;)
To be honest, I am also ready to agree with your point of view. In my opinion, this is the optimal option...
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Ah, mathematicians... :D That won't work! (quote)

The thing is how to arrange the coefficients. Why specifically 200-150-130... and so on? What if it's 457-351-258...? The final result will be completely different. So, entering coefficients is a thankless task. It needs to be justified, but is it necessary?


Regarding Wisdom, that's definitely correct! :)

And about the coefficients - I just gave an example; of course, they should be different. I just wanted to draw parallels with big tennis:

For example, the winner gets 200 points, the finalist gets 100 points, the semi-finalists get 50 each, the quarter-finalists get 25, and so on. :

Since this is an interesting topic, and there isn't time to think it through, I decided to suggest it to everyone; maybe someone will be able to bring it to a logical conclusion.

Overall, I agree with both options: 1 - the main one, 2 - a parallel one. And then we'll see....:)
"Мы принимаем бой!!!!!!!" - кричали они:D :D :D
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...I wanted to draw parallels with professional tennis:
For example, the winner gets 200 points, the finalist gets 100 points, the semi-finalists get 50 each, the quarter-finalists get 25, and so on;
The rating system makes sense not within a single tournament, but within a series of tournaments with the same participants. Within the tournament itself, there is not much point in calculating the rating. Here, everything is simply - whoever finishes first wins... And the rating is a separate topic, and it has already been discussed many times, in my opinion... So, I don't think there is a need for it yet...
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I assume that this won't be the only tournament.
"Мы принимаем бой!!!!!!!" - кричали они:D :D :D
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I understand that this won't be limited to just one tournament :)
You can be sure of that.




I like #1, it's a sensible and time-tested way to calculate scores.
Герой в каждом из нас...:rolleyes:

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Let's consider two options.
The first as the main one, and the second as a test option.
The inter-clan tournament is definitely not the last one, and there is no clear mechanism for its implementation and evaluation, so let's work on it for the future!
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By a majority vote (6 out of 10 players expressed their opinion), the system for determining the results of the clan tournament in speed play has been approved according to Option #1:

The sum of the days of all team members is taken into account.
The team with the lowest total sum is declared the winner.

The second option will be considered as a backup for subsequent comparison and making a final decision.

The issue has been resolved quickly, and I congratulate everyone! :D
I wish everyone good luck! See you in the final ranking!
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Who are those four?:)
I meant six people in the triple match (on both sides) and four in the double match... Initially, we discussed both tournaments. I don't play in the second one, so I might not be entirely familiar with the rules for playing in a double match...
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Phoenixes... I wasn't sure where to post this... so I'm posting it here for you. As a gesture of our long-standing friendship, I made a logo for you. Here it is...
...with respect, RAP ;););););).
играю на уровне AI !!:smile32: ;)
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phoenixes... I wasn't sure where to post this... so I'm posting it here for you, as a gesture of friendship. I made a logo for you... here it is...
...with respect, RAP ;););););).

First of all, thank you very much. I appreciate that people create things themselves and present them as gifts. I'm just thinking that instead of red, we should use orange...
Герой в каждом из нас...:rolleyes:

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phoenixes... I wasn't sure where to post this... so I made a logo for you guys... out of friendship... here it is...
...with respect, RAP ;););););)...............
Thank you for your work.
But the bird looks too much like a thrush with claws! :)
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I might change the bird later));))) which is what I'll do soon...)))
играю на уровне AI !!:smile32: ;)
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