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Well, the wording is indeed "No smoking! Do not throw cigarette butts on the floor!" :)

In my opinion, we should just remove the phrase about "not allowed." Leave only that if the level is higher than 7, then don't fight.
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Here are some pedants, I guess. :)
Well, what can you do if a warrior hero picks up Pandora's Box and levels up? Or if someone attacks the warrior with troops, and he wins and levels up? You can't just kill him for that. :D

Okay! I've revised the wording, and now it's even shorter. :)
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CJIOHuK (Inferno, Xarfax, Xarfax) def Faarg (Castle, Caitlin, Caitlin) at 124, 2SM4d(3)
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Dirty_Player
Here are some pedants again :)
What can you do if a warrior hero picks up the Pandora's Box artifact and levels up? Or if someone attacks the warrior with troops, and he wins and levels up? You can't just kill him for that. :D

Okay! I've revised the wording, and now it's even shorter :)
Oh, I'll add something, I guess :) now you need to change "есть" to "если" there :)
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So, a Tazar of level 20 will come to you and say, "Oh, by the way, I ate a Pandor." And you can't even verify it (I'm not a hardcore player who keeps track of where he attacked whom. Maybe he fought someone else to defend that Pandor). What's the point of playing as a mage then? It would be better to prohibit leveling up a Warrior above level 7, unless he is attacked by a computer-controlled enemy or an opponent.
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So, Tazar, level 20, comes to your town and says, "Oh, by the way, I ate a Pandora!" And you can't even check (I'm not a hardcore player who keeps track of where he fought whom. Maybe he fought someone else to get that Pandora). What's the point of playing as a mage then? It would be better to prohibit leveling up a warrior above level 7, unless he's attacked by a computer-controlled enemy or an opponent.
So, Tazar reaches level 20, and then what? He can't attack anyone. Let him run around... It's pointless to level him up just so he can run around.
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It would also be good to add a rule prohibiting capturing mines, external dwellings, and empty towns. Then it would definitely become unnecessary at level 20.

But for now, it's not prohibited. You can enter an empty town, take a hero mage, and continue on your way.
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It would also be good to prohibit capturing mines, external dwellings, and empty towns.
Why should this be prohibited? There is no penalty for doing so, so there shouldn't be a prohibition.
I'm amazed at how much people like to fantasize. Does anyone really think they could fill Tazar with pandoras and artifacts, just to have him walk around and wait for someone to attack him? :D
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Why should this be banned? There is no fight, so there can be no ban.
I'm amazed at how people love to fantasize. Would anyone actually be smart enough to pack Tazar with pandoras and artifacts just to simply move him around and wait for someone to attack? :D

Well yeah, two DDs, settle into an empty town, and you're happy) my point is that your rules imply "control" over the opponent so that they don't break through strong guards with Tazar himself! Since Tazar is lvl 20, he could easily take the Dragon Utopia, but how do you say he took it as a mage and how do you prove it?! My version excludes such initiative.
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Dirty_Player
Why should this be banned? There's no harm, so there shouldn't be a ban.
I'm surprised how much people like to fantasize. Does anyone really have the brains to fill Tazar with Pandora items and artifacts so that he just walks around and waits for someone to attack him? :D
ahaha :D

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Sevensan
Yeah, two damage dealers, sit in an empty town, and are happy) I mean, your rules imply "control" over the opponent so that he doesn't break through strong guards with the same Tazar! If Tazar is level 20, he can easily take a Utopia, but how can you say that he took it with a Mage and how can you prove it?! My option eliminates such an initiative.
check the saves or strictly limit the level.
Дурман мирской любви сильнее яда кобры, он глупым может сделать мудреца и увести от цели благородной и дух и волю война храбреца.
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Вакцинация младенцев в роддомах преступление!
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Well yeah, two Dimension Doors, settled in an empty town, and he's happy) My point is that your rules imply "control" over the opponent so that they don't break through strong guards with something like a Tazar! Since Tazar is level 20, he could easily take the Dragon Utopia; it's just a matter of saying he took it as a mage—how do you prove it?! My version excludes such initiatives.
Well, Heroes is generally played relying on the opponent's honesty. What you described is much easier to verify than maphacking or, for a simpler example, red-rushing on SMK.
And to prevent them from settling in an empty town, leave a single level 1 unit there.

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check saves or still strictly limit the level
The second one doesn't work; firing a convict if he is a warrior of level 10 or higher is not an option.
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newb1k (red, Castle, Caitlin) def P.Alexei (blue, Rampart, Aeris), 8mm6a, 226
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In Heroes, people generally play relying on the opponent's honesty. What you described is much easier to check than map hacking or, for a simpler example, a rush with red units on a small map.
And to prevent units from dying in an empty town, leave a single unit of level 1 there.
Saying "Please be honest" is a provocation, implying that dishonesty is possible.
Therefore, the goal should be to eliminate the very possibility of dishonesty.
Half the world plays Heroes, and the claim that they play relying on honesty is unsubstantiated, as no one can know what's in everyone's mind. You can trust or distrust, but you can't be certain without proof.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Just try to illegally level up Tazar to at least level 10. They'll catch you immediately. The problem is blown out of proportion, in my opinion.
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Sevensan
Yeah, two Dimension Doors, settled in an empty town, and he's happy)
Well, that can be done with any hero. It's not necessary to level up Tazar for this purpose.
Sevensan
Since Tazar is lvl 20, he could easily take the Dragon Utopia, but how do you say it was taken as a mage and how do you prove it?!
I think via save. I don't think the opponent is such an idiot to risk it like that, knowing that if they get caught, they'll get a loss. It's like pulling Pandora from under shifted guards on a wing and a prayer :D
Wicc
Well, try leveling Tazar illegally even up to lvl 10. They'll be caught instantly. The problem is sucked out of a finger imho.
+1

As for round 1. Many promised to play yesterday and did play, but apparently didn't finish. The first round has been extended until Saturday 18.06.11... on the morning of 19.06.11 I will flip a coin in the VT chat with witnesses and close this matter. I will not investigate who is to blame or what to do.

Oh yeah. The deadline for round 2 is until 28.06.11

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