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Nah, we've made up our minds, we'll play with an extended roster, it won't be a problem. I wrote that more for future tournaments, suggesting that we need to slightly optimize the format.
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I'll chime in on this topic once, even though I don't have much to contribute. In my opinion, 8-10 people in the final is ideal, and no more.
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16 people, and the "Olimpiyka" venue would be perfect! What's the point of dragging it out?
Right now, you have 8 finalists from St. Petersburg and 6 from Moscow.
Are you deliberately trying to undermine the prestige of the final?


Guys, can you please specify exactly who needs to be removed from the final?
Nagan has the same approach – to gather a large group. That's why he's handing out quotas left and right. I don't agree with her, but since she's the organizer, it's her decision.

In my opinion, the optimal format would be 16 people and 4 rounds. Without tourists and casual players, only strong regulars. Different quotas for different qualifying tournaments (based on the strength of the team and the number of people who want to participate). So that there is competition in each qualifying tournament.
No, now that a decision has been made, we'll play with an expanded roster, it won't be a problem.

Are we just trolling ourselves?
I was just writing this for future tournaments, suggesting that the format needs to be slightly optimized.

I'm sure there won't be many.
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We're not trolling; we're just staking our claim in the realm of opinions for the future. No one needs to be kicked out; let everything proceed as planned. There will definitely be more tournaments; how could we do without them?
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We're not trolling; we're just staking our claim in the space of opinions for the future.

I'm saying that you are trolling.
The next tournaments will definitely happen; how could they not?

I have good reason to doubt that.
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Now it’s your turn to troll.
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Captain
Nagan, Vic is right.
Then why hold qualifiers at all?
You currently have 8 finalists from St. Petersburg and 6 from Moscow.
Are you deliberately undermining the prestige of the final? ;)

Nagan )), Captain is right.

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why give quotas for places higher than third, if one of the top three cannot come to the final? (if you really want a tough final based on your moral principles)

P.S.: especially for Captain )) for future "tough" finals - two players from the qualifier go to the final (if 8-12 participated in the qualifier), third place - a play-off match (possibly), no quotas below 3rd place. You can only participate in one qualifier (re-buys are prohibited:D ).
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Although, as the organizer of the first CIS Heroes tournament, I am pleased that everything was done correctly at the First Cup - tough selection, regulations, 18 players and 4 rounds.

share the crown with Sam :D
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Another suggestion for the next CIS tournament: give 3 quotas to the top 3 teams in the Wargaming Team (WT) ranking at the end of the year. If they can't, then the next teams, and so on.


You speak the truth, you speak the truth!
С истиной где-то рядом...





Лето 2010.
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Nagan has the same approach – to gather a large group. That's why he's handing out quotas left and right. I disagree with him, but since he's the organizer, it's up to him to decide.

Yeah, but who insisted on holding an online qualifier? Nagan or Vik?
And who didn't finish the St. Petersburg tournament, making it unclear who the winners are? This is where these quotas come from.

To the accusations of inflating the tournament, I'll respond like this: if there hadn't been a conflict, everything would have been fine. I'll remind you that the Ukrainians, led by Peterius, refused to come, and the Siberians, at first, except for Dust, also refused. The St. Petersburg and Yekaterinburg players were planning to play in Egypt. They could have ended up without a final altogether. The psychology of a person is: if no one goes, then I won't go either. And the organizer has already spent time and money, so he is especially interested in the tournament taking place and going well. Due to the wave of refusals, he started talking to people who played in the qualifying tournaments but didn't take the prize places.

After that, when the negotiations were held, it suddenly turned out that everyone was ready to come and play – both the Yekaterinburg and St. Petersburg players, and the Ukrainians. What was there to do? To refuse – to say, "guys, since you didn't agree, you're out" – would be seen as a simple settling of scores – Nagan harbored resentment and got his revenge... then the conflict would have been even stronger.
And I either have to argue or prepare the tournament; I chose the latter, as the lesser of two evils. There are places in the club, and in the dormitory too.

In my opinion, the optimal format would be 16 people and 4 rounds. Without tourists and outsiders, only strong regulars. Different numbers of quotas for different qualifiers (based on the strength of the team and the number of people who want to come). So that there is competition in each qualifier.

2 Vik. For example, somewhere, maybe in Michurinsk, maybe in Dnepropetrovsk, or in Siberia, they could hold a full-fledged qualifier with strong players, but not the elite of Baia – they might get at best one place?
And if it's something like the online qualifier that was held, but 2-3 top players pass without playing – should they all be included in the final? Or when there are 3 players in the tournament, the judge is the fourth – and should they all be included too, because they are top players?

Such unfairness will kill the meaning of the championship. The players from Michurinsk and Tambov will be left out, as will the players from Krasnodar and the non-Baia Ukrainians.

If you apply what you suggest now, no top player will legally get a place in the final; read about the previous qualifiers.

That is, a subjective factor, the opinion of the judge, will come into play.
"Yes, these players didn't play in the qualifier, but they are top players, strong regulars – so they should be in the final.
But those players, even though they played in the qualifier, are not top players, so they don't deserve it."

Without support in the regions, such a top tournament will become boring for the top players themselves.
Although, as the organizer of the first CIS Heroes of Might and Magic cup, I'm pleased that in the First Cup, everything was done correctly – a tough selection, a regulation, 18 players, and 4 rounds.

2 Captain. It was correct from your point of view. But from the point of view of the Yekaterinburg players? Or Dust? 18 players and 4 rounds – is that correct? 1 round – 9 winners, 2 round – 5 winners, 3 round – 3 winners, 4 round – 2 winners? A 5th round might have been needed... So there's no difference.

I saw off Lyokha, who was upset about going into battle, but when he came back, he said, "It was actually a good time, we played poker, walked around the city." The tournament even took a back seat for him. And for most of the people I talked to, it was the same. The reception of the guests was bad, there were no prizes, etc.
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Eric, why are we discussing the future right now? We'll figure it out when the time comes. I have no complaints about the current roster. I held the qualifier in St. Petersburg, the results have been published, and the players have secured their spots.
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2 Captain. It was right from your point of view. But what about the point of view of the people from Yekaterinburg? Or Dust? 18 players and 4 rounds – is that right? 1 round – 9 winners, 2nd round – 5 winners, 3rd round – 3 winners, 4th round – 2 winners? A 5th round might have been needed... So, there's no difference.

I saw Lyokha off, and he was upset about going into the battle, but when he came back, he said that they had a good time, played poker, and walked around the city. The tournament even took a backseat for him. And for most of the people I talked to, it was the same. The welcoming of the guests was bad, there were no prizes, etc.
Whether it could have been or not – that's the question for our philosophers :)
If there had been a problem, we would have solved it. But there were no problems.

About Lyokha – he played well, but he lost two games right away – to Medium and Vitalik. So, he told you everything logically; he had no chance in the tournament, so he just hung out :)
The others were kicking ass :)
And that was a sign – who really wanted to win and play Heroes, and who just wanted to drink beer and play poker.

About the organizers' meeting – I still believe that there are no small children among Heroes players, and there's no need for the organizers to waste time on that. It's better if all the computers are working, and there are internet broadcasts, for example ;)

Prizes – I don't know, I'm not a philanthropist; I think that a person should earn their own living :)
You are a kinder soul; you splurged on a crossbow.

P.S. It's boring without arguments. I advise you to just not take them too seriously.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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I've added the information to the first post of the topic.

Addresses and phone numbers.

My phone number is 8-920-485-67-19. If you have any questions about the tournament, please call.

The address of the internet center in the science city, where we will be playing, is: Federalnaya Street, 49 (on Slavy Square).

The address of the university dormitory, where participants are planned to be accommodated, is: Ukrainskaya Street, 36 (next to the city administration building). Phone number: 8-(47545) 5-21-36.

The address of the hotel is: Sovietskaya Street, 292a, phone numbers: 8 (47545) – 5-15-18 – administrator; 8-(47545)-5-47-02 – director.

If, for some reason, you are not met, it is best to go directly to the club if the round has already started, or to the dormitory or hotel. Be sure to bring your passport with you – otherwise, you will not be registered.
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Roland asked to let you know that he will be coming with people from Moscow.
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I'm sorry, but I can't stand hypocrisy and the distortion of facts...
Captain
Although, as the organizer of the first CIS Heroes of Might and Magic tournament, I'm glad that everything was done correctly at the First Tournament...
And you still haven't gotten rid of your illusions?.. :smile05:
Captain
Regarding the meeting with the organizers – I still believe that there are no small children among Heroes of Might and Magic players, and there's no need for the organizers to waste time on this. It's better if all the computers are working, and there are internet broadcasts, for example ;)
Yes, yes... Especially when the organizers say: "We will meet you with two cars," and then, after you arrive, they change their minds: "Let's have you go to the nearest metro station (about 8 kilometers) and we'll meet you there"... And it's not even about the cars or the meeting – it's about the fact that what was said wasn't done... It's not very honorable...
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Prizes – I don't know, I'm not a philanthropist.
That's right, you're not a philanthropist, you're a miser...(a cheapskate in non-casino language)
In the end, according to Captain, the organizers' actions boil down to: creating hype on the forum, leaving for Crimea the day before, arriving two days before the championship... And okay, let's say he steps down from his imaginary throne and shows the direction to go to find the place to stay...(that is, he points in a general direction, approximately it looked like: "It's somewhere over there – let's go look for it..."). And even showing obvious disrespect to the guests by not staying for the "session with the players from Yekaterinburg"...
It's easy to talk, but hard to do...
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Damn, it's starting again ((( You'll ruin my mood before the trip (((((( Can't you find anything normal to talk about regarding the Tournament?! Settle your disputes when you meet!
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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Captain
Merlin, don't act like a woman.
I didn't promise to meet you and stay for the "session."
That's exactly the impression I got. That you promised nothing to anyone, owed nothing to anyone, and in the end, did nothing…
Regarding the "session" – Sam wrote about it – I didn’t notice any refutation from you. As for the meeting – I must say that your memories are downright girlish – and it immediately becomes clear how organized (the organizers) you all disappear into the bushes – no one is responsible for anything…

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by the way, regarding the "session"... It seems that Sam and Captain didn't coordinate with each other – which is why there was such a terrible mess with the apartments back then...
As for the airport meeting – someone said on the phone: "we're here in two cars – we'll figure it out..." Most likely (only now am I starting to understand this), we simply dialed the wrong number.

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