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Offline kcfgogbfalgfl
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You vote in the wrong direction, react nervously to accusations, defend a player who ultimately turns out to be a Mafia member, get exposed during a commissioner's check, behave inappropriately, get overly emotional, become silent, don't participate in the search for Mafia members, are lazy about rereading previous days, don't follow the course of the game, get too involved in acting, and so on.
I wouldn't want to disappoint you, but a player controlling a town can do most of these things as well.
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Vasya the thug is very aggressive, writes aggressive posts, and behaves aggressively. But he was given the role of a doctor in the mafia.
Vasya the thug will have to think twice before behaving aggressively, given such an important role for the city. But if he always behaves this way, he won't be touched just because he's aggressive, as this is his standard behavior.
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How can you vote in the wrong direction if "the wrong direction" cannot be determined due to the lack of snails?

A proposal is made to hang comrade X with minimal justification. Comrade X is noticeably starting to get nervous, but still manages to squeeze out some weak excuses. The players are divided into two categories: the first believes that the arguments against comrade X are weighty, his nervousness is a giveaway, and they vote for him; the second (and the mafia in particular) begin to prove that he is not the mafia, because if he were the mafia, he wouldn't do this, that, and the other. As a result, comrade X is hanged. He turns out to be the mafia. Who comes under suspicion? That's right, those who didn't vote against him. There were no snails, but there is evidence.
Мафия - это не организация, мафия - это состояние души...
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I use similar phrases in every Mafia game, I suggest executing Arandor in every Mafia game, and I don't answer stupid questions in every Mafia game.
For any minimal psychoanalysis, you need to know the person at least a little (not like Arandor, he's funny). Do you know? No, you just took a shot in the dark.

What are you trying to prove? That in Mafia, without evidence, you can make a mistake?

And in Mafia with evidence, you can't make a mistake, right?! All the evidence is 100% clear, right?

In any case, you were hanged based on both the evidence and your behavior, so the argument is pointless.
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I wouldn't want to disappoint you, but a player controlling a town can achieve more of this.
Yeah, that's why peace treaties are so often broken.
Мафия - это не организация, мафия - это состояние души...
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Vasya the thug will have to think twice before acting aggressively towards someone who plays such an important role in the city. But if he always behaves this way, he won't be spared just because he's aggressive; it's his standard behavior.
Firstly, the concepts of "Vasya the thug" and "thinking" are physically incompatible.
Secondly, you need to actually KNOW the person to do even a minimal psychological analysis. And if he inherently exhibits all the "symptoms" of being a mobster... that's it, the city has lost, and the guy is immune.
The suggestion is to hang Comrade X with minimal justification. Comrade X is visibly starting to get nervous but still manages to stammer out some weak excuses. The players are divided into two categories: the first believes the arguments against Comrade X are strong, his nervousness is a giveaway, and they vote for him. The second group (including the mafia) starts arguing that he's not the mafia because, if he were, he wouldn't do this, that, or the other. In the end, Comrade X is hanged. He turns out to be a member of the mafia. Who comes under suspicion? That's right, those who didn't vote against him. There were no clues, but there was a giveaway.
The mafia is silent, what are your actions?
What are you trying to prove? That you can make a mistake in the mafia without evidence?
And in the mafia, you can't make a mistake with evidence, right?! All the evidence is 100% clear, right?
What's with all the nervousness again?
When you're on a boat and have something to push off from, you can reach where you need to go.
But when you're floating in a vacuum with zero gravity, all you can do is flail your arms and legs aimlessly.

You keep thinking I'm trying to defend myself, just calm down. :)

Now you absolutely have to have a PvP battle in your little psychomafia game.
Tomorrow holds no promises
Except the ones we've made
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If someone doesn't know how to do something or doesn't understand it, that doesn't mean that others don't know or understand it either.

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Firstly: the concepts of "Gopnik Vasya" and "thinking" are physically incompatible.
A Gopnik probably wouldn't even play.

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The Mafia is silent, what are your actions?
To the stake. Any player who is afraid to speak up, make a mistake, accuse an innocent person, or insist on their opinion in 80% of cases is Mafia, in 10% of cases a newbie, in 5% an important roleplayer, and in 5% an idiot.
Мафия - это не организация, мафия - это состояние души...
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Why didn't you take care of Gura?
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Secondly, you need to KNOW the person to do even a minimal psychological analysis. And if they automatically exhibit all the "symptoms" of being a mafia member... well, the town has lost, and the guy is safe.
Therefore, in a well-coordinated team, it becomes increasingly difficult for the mafia to win with each game. To balance things out in such cases, either the mafia is strengthened, or the town is weakened. Everything is solvable :)

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Why didn't you eliminate Gura?
If this is directed at me, I'll explain: I read the game very superficially, forcing myself to do so, because I don't understand the clues, and there was practically nothing else to talk about. I just came to vote so as not to let the team down completely.
Мафия - это не организация, мафия - это состояние души...
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What's with all the nervousness again?
Don't resort to personal attacks.
WisTrit

When you're on a boat and have something to push off from, you can sail to where you need to go.
But when you're floating in a vacuum with zero gravity, all you can do is flail your arms and legs aimlessly.
If a person is born blind, it's impossible to explain to them what "blue" is. If you can't analyze behavior, so be it; we're here to play with the clues, what else is there?
WisTrit

You keep thinking I'm making excuses for myself, just calm down already:)

Now you absolutely have to have a PvP match in your little psychomafia game.
I won't surprise you much if I say I don't play psychological mafia games? So you're barking up the wrong tree. Actually, I have a reputation here as a player who doesn't use psychology at all, but even I don't claim that if I'm not good at psychology, it's worthless...

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Why didn't you eliminate Gura?
Well, you were so obviously guilty based on your behavior and the clues that they didn't even get around to eliminating Gura... :smile04:
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Don't resort to personal attacks.
Get used to it; I'm not talking to the void, but specifically to you. You can consider this a joke.
If a person is born blind, it is impossible to explain to them what "blue" is. If you can't analyze behavior, so be it; we're here to play with clues, what else?
DON'T RESORT TO PERSONAL ATTACKS, WHY ARE YOU SO AGGRESSIVE RIGHT AWAY?
Who told you that I can't do it? I'm saying that the very idea of this is stupid.
I won't surprise you much if I say that I don't play psychological Mafia. So you're barking up the wrong tree. Actually, I have a reputation here as a player who doesn't use psychology at all, but even I don't claim that if I can't grasp psychology, then it's worthless...
And I do claim that. I'm not against psychology, but against the kind of nonsense that guys use in Mafia.
You're doing everything right! Snails rule!!1

Masini, let's play.
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Except the ones we've made
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Get used to it.

Yes, master, would you like some tea, master? Shall I clean your boots, master?

It's funny, of course, when someone has such a huge ego, but overall, I'm starting to get bored talking to you.

Thanks to everyone for the game, Gil is great, Lizard is a grumpy cucumber! I bid you farewell.:smile13:
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I'm just saying you're too impulsive. You make too many unnecessary sarcastic remarks. Too much inappropriate irony.
I don't have an enormous ego, although it's not small, yes.
See you:)
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Как рассчитал?)
Is this really that important? This is my personal assessment of how likely a peaceful role is, given this behavior. My confidence, expressed as a percentage, if that makes it easier for you. :) And I can assess my own confidence myself, without formulas or specific calculation methods.
WisTrit
Гил, мне лень искать картинку с фейспальмом.
You don't have to look; I can imagine it myself. :)
WisTrit
Я в каждой мафии сыплю подобными фразочками, я в каждой мафии предлагаю казнить Арандора, я в каждой мафии не отвечаю на идиотские вопросы.
And what's good about that, if you also play as Town? Is suggesting to hang Arandor, even if he's obviously Town, just your typical behavior because "that's what I always do"? And most importantly, if you can analyze things properly, decipher clues, and create plans (all of this as Town, if you've ever played that role), then why do you need all this irrational nonsense? It's not even about testing the player's reaction to an accusation; it's just "writing something to have something written." If you've always played as Mafia, then the question is moot. Then this is just your standard Mafia behavior, and there's nothing more to discuss. Not answering stupid questions – again, if you don't answer them as Town either, that's just a negative for you. Why should Town behave aggressively and hide their thoughts? It's stupid.
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Для какого-либо минимального психоанализа нужно хоть немного знать человека(не так как Арандор, он смишной). Ты знаешь? Нет, тупо кинул на удачу. Мне вот интересно как можно спалиться в психомафии без улиток?
Поэтому отстой, бал вонаби-психологов. Олололо парни дави интеллектом психология решает.
Heh, psychoanalysis has never been based on knowing the specifics of a person's psychology. Psychoanalysis allows you to identify these characteristics, and then, based on what is already known, to identify further details. It's naive to think that you need to be familiar with the subject to apply psychoanalysis. I won't even comment on the possibilities of getting caught in psychological Mafia games, because you'll say it's all nonsense anyway. :D
WhiteLizard
Ох уж это нежелание признавать свои ошибки, подкосило и даже такого сильного игрока. Печально...
Liz, I'm sorry, but when I made a huge mistake at 26, I admitted it. And I listed my mistakes myself. Here, the problem isn't that I initiated your condemnation, but that you contributed to it yourself. If you were absolutely sure that player A was Mafia, everything would point to that for everyone, and player B would write that player A is 100% Town and vote for No-No-Vote, what would you think? And then, when he's accused, and when the Mafia is in such a losing position, he'll just write, "olololo, the Town are judging each other." What would you think? That he's one of the Mafia who can't fight to the end, or that he's just a Town player who doesn't care? I assumed the latter, considered it very unlikely, but I assumed it. And then what? Why did we need you alive? To later interfere with us on the last day with another pointless No-No-Vote? Useless players who contribute to their own hanging have been and will continue to be hanged.
WisTrit
Гопник Вася очень агрессивен, пишет агрессивные посты, агрессивно ведет себя. Но ему досталась роль врача в мафии.
Как можно голосовать не в ту сторону, если "ту сторону" определить невозможно из-за отсутствия улиток?
- Ребята, вон тот парень маф!
- Ок, ок! Маф, маф!
- Точна точна!!
- С чего он маф то?
- АГА НУ ВОТ ТЫ И ПОПАЛСЯ КАЗНИТЬ %юзернейм%!
And... So what? Just recently, in a psychological Mafia game, my Doctor was hanged because he couldn't react normally to accusations and behaved very aggressively. He was hanged, and the Mafia won (I was one of them), partly because of this. They accused this Doctor of being Mafia, and he just snapped back. How do you determine which side to vote for? It's all the same psychoanalysis. You can see who behaves how when it comes to voting. You really should play a couple of times before judging.
Leang
Не хотелось бы разочаровывать, но большее из этого может сделать и игрок за город.
Again, such useless and clueless players have been and will continue to be hanged. And that's why Town players should also try to be involved during the day. Apparently, too many people think that Town can just not think and write whatever comes to mind. They don't care about their own uselessness.
WisTrit
Что ж вы Гура не замочили?
It was pointless; there were better and more dangerous candidates. But yes, I suspected him of being Mafia too. I just did it more subtly, because I've heard about his quiet nature in games. In general, Masini answered many of your questions, and she answered them correctly (everything related to psychological Mafia games). Maybe she didn't answer everything, but this argument is getting boring for me, because you're not trying to accept the opposing point of view. You're sticking to your guns and not listening to anyone (or not reading). :) I won't write "don't reply to this," you'll reply anyway. I'll just say that I don't intend to reply further. :) Good luck to you. :)



Even if we fight, even if there’s such thing
I will not give up
Just like this, I won't let go
Strongly grasping your right hand’s warmth
I’ll be here
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