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As my fellow countrymen put it to me: "Have you already completed the qualifying round?"...
To which I replied: "I couldn't care less about your qualifying round"...
Indeed, we didn't finish the qualifying round, and therefore it's too early to consider me a finalist. And frankly, I'm not playing very well, as I haven't played much in recent years: I've forgotten a lot and don't take everything into account... The esteemed Kobra might point out: what the hell am I doing here, showing up with my unsavory presence in your esteemed gathering... But I just felt like it:p.
I wanted to come precisely for the simple reason that, I repeat, it doesn't matter to me whether I play or not, whether I talk or stay silent – for me, it's simply a pleasure to be with My People. And where that is, doesn't concern me at all. And that's why I appreciate the Heroes community – because everyone has their own opinion. And that's great!
As for Michurinsk, I, for example, really like small towns. It's just easier to breathe there, somehow. Fewer people – more oxygen...
But ultimately, everyone is responsible for themselves. And here I want to warn you against mutual accusations, because in the end, it will all come down to "those who don't want to come, well, too bad for them" and mutual insults, leading to a "tit for tat" situation.
Nagan announced the Championship in Michurinsk last year – why did everyone only start worrying about it now? It's just not right... You're playing a turn-based strategy game, friends, and you should be thinking ahead...
The location for the next championship should have been discussed back in 2010.
In principle, I completely agree with Tyoma-Stinger. It would be good to stay somewhere together, but playing in a club: firstly, the necessary conditions are created there for this (if you believe the organizers), and secondly, there will be an additional psychological incentive in the form of the official nature of the event and the travel time to the club, so that everyone can wake up and get ready in an organized manner.
Does anyone have any reason to doubt that Nagan will not be able to organize the Championship as a sports and intellectual event? Then name specific facts and reasons. Nagan didn't just announce the Championship in Michurinsk today. And at the very least, he makes the impression of a responsible person and a man of his word. I'm already willing to go to Michurinsk just to talk to him.
And in Egypt – they'll laugh at us if we sit in four walls with our laptops (by the way, there might be an interesting situation with them at customs). Newspaper headlines: "Russians came to Egypt at their own expense to play computer games." Those who would go with their wives – well, what normal woman would sit in four walls when there's a sea and sun and all that? And would you calmly let her go off on her own in a foreign country (especially after a coup)? And those who go without their wives (how will you explain that, by the way? – okay, she won't go to Michurinsk, but how about refusing Egypt...) – that's just ridiculous... Honey, what were you doing there? – Darling, we were sitting playing computer games – here, look at the photos, how we were sitting in four walls playing – I'm not lying...
And his wife will understand that her husband is a bit of an oddball (there's a typo in the word "oddball," the first letter is "m").
And as Bayazet rightly noted: "I'm coming to Michurinsk – I see no alternative."
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Can you tell me – can I already order tickets to Moscow and back, or where?
Kirill, aka Merlin, you've turned everything upside down again.
1) How does a trip to Egypt differ globally from a trip to Kyiv, in terms of talking to your wife... so, they're all the same weirdos, it seems.
2) In Kyiv, there were 4 rounds and 4 days, and they still managed to relax in the evenings. Egypt is planned for 7 days, which means that in addition to just free time from the games, there will be another 3 full free days for relaxation.
3) The idea about letting wives go is nonsense. Does anyone plan to leave the hotel grounds and wander around the cities, and then get on a local bus and go to Cairo... don't make me laugh, Merlin (i.e., yourself).
Personally, my priorities for the location are:
1) Egypt + laptops
2) Michurinsk/Minsk/City N + base + laptops
3) Michurinsk + club
And I really don't want the 3rd option. In general, I want to combine relaxation and a tournament.
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Go ahead and actually read it, and think. I'm not talking nonsense here; I'm saying very sensible things. Which, by the way, are based on personal experience in running such tournaments. Experience that neither you nor Eric have—because in recent years (I don't know about earlier), you've mostly spent your time in small "inner circle" gatherings without much sporting motivation. The kind of place where a lot is forgiven.
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Read about my recent tournament, which you attended yourself. I don't accept your argument. Your doubts about my organizational skills are hurtful. /topic/6290/
The position of "I'll do it first, then you can criticize" is categorically unacceptable to me. Because the goal is to run a tournament well, not to find someone to blame. And taking a scalp from Eric won't make things any easier for me. And he is rushing toward this joyful event at full speed.
Let me answer for myself. You're acting like America caring about Iraq.
That's why I'm warning about the problems. And I'm asking a question—how does he intend to run 5 rounds in 4 days, combining that with bowling, barbecues, poker, and other things? Given that individual games lasting 12 hours are normal, and people's endurance is limited, as is their ability to sit in a club all day without a severe degradation of enthusiasm.
If there's no intentional sabotage, then why not run it? It's played the same way everywhere. We'll be in the club 12 hours a day. If there's a tense finale, the admins can wait a bit longer. The tournament will hardly be finished with everyone present; as people lose, they'll head to poker and partying—that's inevitable. Hardly a dozen will remain by the finish, the most persistent and strongest, and they will play for the championship.
Yes, playing 4 rounds in 4 days is quite possible. Those who are no longer contending for places or finished quickly can hang out with chess, football, etc. For example, say everyone finishes by 10 PM; it's too early to go to sleep. Why not play bowling or sit in the club for a couple or three hours? Or even set up a barbecue for the evening until 2-3 AM; if the weather is good, it's wonderful to have heart-to-heart talks.
But if you just dive into poker all night and sleep during the day—then we won't even play one round.
But the real problem lies in the fragmentation. Everyone needs to live together; the experience of recent tournaments proves this. If we solve the housing problem—whether it's a base or a private house—I think there won't be any problems. I think that even if it's not possible in Michurinsk to order a Gazelle or a bus to some place every morning, taxis aren't that expensive and will fit the budget. It's almost funny to talk about this. We sometimes blow through and lose sums in poker over one night that are many times larger than a taxi tour of the city every day for a month. So we can use a bus to get to the club in an organized way. Eric, 7-8 people at your house isn't really serious... because there will be far more people wanting to stay on the very first day, and I wouldn't want you to have problems with neighbors or guests to have unfulfilled desires. In general, it would be great to find: 1. suitable housing that can accommodate everyone who wants to come. 2. a service, or private individuals, ready to transport participants from point A to point B. And if all this is resolved, then attendance at the club stops being a problem. It seems simple, but in reality, of course, I might not know the nuances that could prevent Eric from doing this.
2 Stinger. Tema, I've always valued you for your calm and clear manner of speaking. There are no problems with that.
Michurinsk Sanatorium, 18 kilometers from the city. 500 rub per day per person. The rooms are decent enough, but you have to pay for food separately. Although if we're in the city all day, that doesn't matter.
You can arrive at night at 2 or 3 AM, provided you arrange it with the same-day shift beforehand.
Regarding buses. I know some entrepreneurs who do private hire (route buses). If we agree on a PAZ, say, it could easily transport 20-25 people to the city in the morning and then back to the sanatorium in the evening. Split between everyone, it'll be a small amount per person.
I'll come to Michurinsk (I see no alternatives) Regarding the date: preferably organize for 30-4, as I'd like to see Alex at the tournament for its completeness. Regarding the venue: I'm used to club tournaments; I simply haven't seen others, and I don't really want to lug around a laptop. The poker-style tourist base option scares me, to be honest).
I agree with Bayazet; even the mood for playing is different in a club.
So. 1. Accommodation at the sanatorium - 500 rub per day. (maybe I'll find an even better option, there's time). 2. A bus picks us up in the morning, say at 9:30, and takes us back at night. 3. We play in the club.
You've heard it all; I ask specific questions, but you avoid answering, just pouring out fluff. Just don't tell me that you don't see the difference between "in this situation I adapt to the circumstances" and "I adapt the circumstances to my specific situation." Is it unpleasant for you to hear me? Then announce the poll results: how many people can come 30-04, and how many 06-09. If the majority is May Day, then I will silently observe the situation and definitely not come. What's the point of suggesting May 1-5 if it's unknown how many can come during those dates? I don't think you're "doing what you can." Rather, "doing as it happens." With all due respect, it feels like the goal is primarily to realize some personal ambitions. We'll just kick back a bit of money to the club, that's all. The main thing is to please the majority; otherwise, what's the point of the tournament?
The tournament cannot be on the 9th; I wrote why. Furthermore, there are May Day holidays in Russia, but in Ukraine, it seems there aren't, and that's not my fault.
Now I am creating a topic about holding the tournament from May 2 to 5. You arrive on the third, you play one round in advance. I can't offer anything more.
The part about personal ambitions really stung. In general, I've read the thread; I promise that after this tournament, I'll leave Heroes. I'd like to be like Alan who left after Krasnodar, but we'll see how it goes. Yes, I have ambitions, I agree.
But if Eric continues to ignore the opinion of at least half of the working class, then everything is heading toward a repeat scenario and maybe it really is better to recruit youth, mixing them with a few veterans.
2 Cobra. Let's count. You, Mee, Peterius... Vic. I get four people who criticize me. Plus Captain, but for him it's just habit, and he doesn't even play. The rest support me. That's normal; the critical mass of criticism is absent. :)
Check with Alex, you seem to know each other well: according to Cobra, a couple of days delay is tolerable for him.
2 PReDS. Alex called me yesterday; he'll be there, doesn't object to 2-5, though he'll try to finish on the 4th.
Does anyone have grounds to doubt that Nagan can handle organizing the Championship as a sporting-intellectual event? If so, then name specific facts and grounds. Nagan didn't just announce the Championship in Michurinsk today. And at the very least, he gives the impression of being a responsible person and a Man of His Word. I'm ready to go to Michurinsk just to talk with him.
Yes, thank you. :cool: That's me.
Read it! Everything is clear! But don't forget the priorities, gentlemen! Everyone says everything is correct—but overall—IT'S A TOTAL MESS! I can help organize the event—I have enough experience since Krasnodar) !!! The organizers declare the regulations—and the tournament participants are obliged to follow them at a minimum!!! And it is up to the organizers, weighing all PROS and CONS, to make the final decision—which is also the only correct one!!!
Matrosov, I agree. Guys, don't worry, everything will go normally.
Yes, there is still time, but as I understand from Eric's words, he has already checked the machines, checked the installation of all necessary components, i.e., for once, it will be possible to go to the club and immediately start playing, instead of spending half a day installing (or even downloading) missing programs, as it was in Kyiv and Moscow. ... In short, he wrote some nonsense.
Preds, you definitely wrote some nonsense. Regarding Kyiv, I can assure you, as the organizer, I'll give you a link that will refresh your memory - it describes the entire tournament and its preparation: http://cyberfight.ru/site/columns/56/article_67714/
It took about an hour to draw lots and set up the software, after which the 1st round began.
Artem Stinger also wrote that they booked an apartment for him only on the day of his arrival, not a month in advance :))) The main thing is that Artem didn't live on the street. There are no problems with accommodation in Kyiv - and I proved it.
Regarding the final in Michurinsk, read the beginning of this topic. Nagan wrote that the finalists would choose the venue (as they did last year). And they will solve all issues in the same way. But here, without a vote, they simply determined the list of finalists and presented them with the fact that it was "inconvenient for the club," etc.
As I understand it, two people from Ukraine will not go... Peterius can only be there on the 3rd.
It really hurt his own ambitions. In general, I read the topic, and I promise that after this tournament, I will leave the Heroes scene.
Nagan, this is a problem for all great tournament organizers - everyone doesn't like them and criticizes them :) I know it myself ;) Emotions are given to us so that we can use them... there's no need to be dry and boring. As they say, chess is the scariest sport :)
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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They asked me to respond: I agree with every word written by Bayazet.
Regarding the location directly in Michurinsk, I don't really care. As for the internal organization, I personally just want to avoid disrupting the tournament and letting down the organizer, Eric. It all depends on the person. I remember how Alex played a tournament match against me on Immortal after spending the whole night (for the second night in a row) playing poker and sleeping for only 1.5 hours...
In general, much of what the respected people have written is relevant. But my opinion is: the organizer should make the final decision after listening to both sides. By the way, it's time to decide, as Russian Railways is already selling tickets for these dates, and there are holidays coming up, so it will soon be more difficult to buy tickets...
Eric, please create a poll, in ICQ, by phone, or however you prefer - to find out who and when is ready to come...
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Eric, please create a poll, on ICQ, by phone, or any other way – to find out who and when is ready to come...
2 Term. I'm already writing a new topic.
Nagan, this is a problem for all great tournament organizers – everyone hates them and criticizes them. I know from experience.
2 Captain, let's leave Heroes together... grateful descendants will not forget us. :smile14:
As I understand it, two people from Ukraine will not be able to come... Peterius can only be there on the 3rd.
Too bad, I wanted to meet Forrest. A respected player, what can I say.
The Michurinsk Sanatorium is located 18 kilometers from the city. It costs 500 rubles per day per person. The rooms are quite decent, but you have to pay separately for meals. However, if we spend the whole day in the city, this doesn't matter.
You can arrive at night, even at 2 or 3 a.m., after arranging it with the security guard beforehand.
Regarding buses: I know some entrepreneurs who run private shuttle services. If you arrange for a PAZ bus, they can easily transport about 20-25 people to the city in the morning and then back to the sanatorium in the evening. This would be relatively inexpensive when split among everyone.
Eric, I don't understand you.
Why do we need to waste time and money on trips between the base and the club, adjusting to the travel schedule, when we can hold the entire tournament right here at the base?
Honestly, I think you're not telling me something; otherwise, I can't explain your reasoning.
It seems like we'll just have to decide on the spot who will go to the club and who will stay. Since opinions are so divided.
Read about my recent tournament, where you also participated. I disagree with your argument. Your doubts about my organizational skills are hurtful. /topic/6290/
That's exactly what I'm saying – this tournament is more of a fun event than a competitive one. If half the games weren't played, it wouldn't bother anyone. And people wouldn't care much about the results.
If you want a tournament where another "Lekha" (no offense) wins by defeating Stinger simply due to the draw and schedule, then what am I doing here? I believe that for a legitimate championship, a little more effort is needed.
Artem Stinger also wrote that they booked his apartment only on the day of his arrival, not a month in advance :))) The main point is that Artem didn't live on the street. There are no problems with accommodation in Kyiv - and I proved it.
You misunderstood me, Captain, or I didn't express myself clearly... )) I meant that I only got into that apartment on the last day, because I spent the rest of the time hanging out with the guys from Yburg after the tours. This is just to illustrate the team spirit. I have no complaints about the apartment, and I never did.)))
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Eric, I don't understand you.
Why do we need to waste time and money on trips to the club, adjusting to the travel schedule, when we can hold the entire tournament right at our base?
Seriously, it seems like you're hiding something; I can't think of any other explanation.
I guess we'll have to do things the simple way – decide on the spot who will go to the club and who will stay. Since opinions are so divided.
Yura, how many times do I have to explain? You have a computer club. I come to you, tell you about a big tournament, about how there will be a lot of people... You seem to believe me, and that's fine. You rearrange the computers, build a wall out of plywood for the needs of the upcoming tournament (dividing the club into 2 zones). You let me test SoD, plus WoG. After some time, I come to you and say: "You know, it's not working out for me. You've already incurred costs, so I'm sorry, but you'll have to bear with it." You'll probably tell me in response: "Eric! The fact that you came to my club is already a great honor for me! The fact that I spent money and time on your ideas is completely irrelevant! And come to my club again in the future with such proposals!"
Yura, where were you before? We talked on the phone, and in person. Did you not know that we would be playing at the club? For example, you could have contacted me in January. But instead, you let me get bogged down in an agreement with the club and then started attacking. Sorry, that's not right.
Well, that's what I'm saying – the tournament is more for fun than for competition. If half the games weren't played, it wouldn't bother anyone. And people wouldn't care much about the results.
Okay, give me a link to your tournaments, I'll read them, and learn from them.
If you want a tournament where another "Lеха" (no offense to him) wins, simply because of the draw and schedule, then what am I doing here? I think that a championship needs a little more legitimacy.
How does playing at the club relate to a fair draw? Are the computers rigged? If that's the case, as you say, then I can create a cheater's draw not only at the club, but also at a sanatorium.
As I understand it, the option for May 6-9 was cancelled because the computer club is closed on those days.
Земля нуля. Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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Yura, how many times do I have to explain this to you? You have a computer club. I come to you, tell you about a big tournament, that there will be a lot of people... It seems like I'm making sense, and you believe me. You change the arrangement of the computers, build a wall out of plywood for the needs of the future tournament (dividing the club into 2 zones). You let me test SoD, plus VT. After some time, I come up to you and say: "You know, it's not working out for me. You incurred costs, I'm sorry, just bear with it somehow." You'll probably tell me in response: "Eric! The fact that you came to my club is already a great honor for me! The fact that I spent money and time on your ideas is complete nonsense! And come to my club again in the future with such proposals!"
Eric, I understand your point. I disagree with it because I believe that the club is for the players, not the players for the club. You think the opposite, and that's your right.
Yes, sometimes you have to make unpleasant choices. You made one. Good luck.
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Yes, sometimes you have to make unpleasant choices. You made yours. Good luck.
Thank you. But it could have been avoided. You could have called me, made an offer about the sanatorium, and we could have discussed it calmly.
But instead, it turned into an argument, and I don't like that. Sorry if I went too far.
Eric, you did a great job by planning everything in advance! But at the same time, you didn't give anyone even a millimeter of room to maneuver. The specifics of Russia and Russian people are that people think about everything at the last minute, and things often change at the very last moment, and I personally would never do something six months in advance. Honestly, I don't know how to make you understand that people come to relax first, and then to play...
Now about the club. Finally, there is some concrete information instead of vague talk, and that's good. Maybe we don't know something? Maybe your close friend works there, then yes, it's awkward, I'll drop the question. But if that's not the case, then how much does the club estimate (or can estimate) the penalty to be? There are still 1.5 months left, let's consider the option of holding the Championship at the base, with extended dates, up to 5 days, so that everyone is comfortable and satisfied... Because right now, it's not very clear where the compromise is. All that can be seen is the position: "I'm the boss, and everyone else can say whatever they want, but it won't be listened to. And besides, this is my last championship." All of this is extremely disappointing...
And please don't take everything personally. I have the same questions for absolutely any other person. Absolutely everyone here greatly respects you for what you do, which is why they are still trying to find a compromise instead of just giving up – saying, "Let it be whatever it will be, or it won't happen at all, or it will happen but not here."
P.S. I don't see any insults, just normal, albeit difficult, negotiations. It would be good if no one got offended, but you can't change adults from the outside.
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I checked the calendar of holidays for 2011. May 3rd, 4th, and 5th are all working days.
Eric, you did a great job by preparing everything in advance! But at the same time, you didn't give anyone even a millimeter of room to maneuver.
Stop it, you creeping thing...)) You all had kilometers of room to maneuver after the Kyiv gathering. And look at them: in Kyiv, everything was done at the last moment (Captain, just be quiet now - you only "arrived from Crimea today"...). This didn't please either you or me. Here, a person does everything properly, thoroughly, and in advance... And yet, it's still not good enough for you... Dear finalists, answer honestly: who among you prioritizes Heroes at the upcoming event?
