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#109
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I also think that you should play on the same difficulty level...
Мудрость должна найти применение в твоей жизни,иначе она заржавеет,как меч,который ни разу не пустили в дело.
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Sage;45300

I would also like to know if anyone will actually play at a difficulty level below 200%? Because if no one does, then this whole discussion loses its meaning.
Personally, I will play at 200%.
Well, considering the debate we had today, I think all 20 of the declared participants will stubbornly play on impossible difficulty... To prove that it wasn't about them...

And we are discussing this issue simply because it has already been discussed many times on various resources, and countless arguments have been made, and in the end, everyone came to the same conclusion... Apparently, we also needed to go through this path so that we wouldn't have to return to it again...
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I don't understand what 200%, 160%, or 130% means. Does this indicate the difficulty level? Please explain...

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I'm confused again... Where can I find the list of tournament participants?
Мудрость должна найти применение в твоей жизни,иначе она заржавеет,как меч,который ни разу не пустили в дело.
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Svercha;45308
I don't understand what 200%, 160%, 130% means. Does this indicate the difficulty level? Please enlighten me...

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I'm confused again... Where can I find the list of tournament participants?

1. Yes, this indicates the starting difficulty on the map (it only differs in the amount of initial resources and the "intelligence" of the computer players)...
2. The list is on the first page of this thread. You will be number 20...
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The higher the percentage, the more resources and "intelligence"?
Мудрость должна найти применение в твоей жизни,иначе она заржавеет,как меч,который ни разу не пустили в дело.
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Svercha;45315
The higher the percentage, the more resources and "intelligence"?
Actually, the opposite is true: you have fewer resources, but the computer players have more. And the computer is slow no matter what percentage you choose.
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Svercha;45315
The higher the percentage, the more resources and "intelligence"?
Difficulty level - Player resources (valuable/common/gold) - AI strength (% of max)

1. (80%) - 15/30/30000 - approximately 50%
2. (100%) - 10/20/20000 - approximately 75%
3. (130%) - 7/15/15000 - 100%
4. (160%) - 4/10/10000 - 100%
5. (200%) - 0/0/0 - 100%

That's why I said there's not much difference between levels 3-5, because the AI plays the same, and resources aren't that important on a large map...

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IronAxe;45317
On the contrary, you have fewer resources, but the AI players have more. And the AI is slow no matter the percentage :)
The AI's resource amount doesn't change; it's always standard - 7/15/15000 (corrected - see below)
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AmberSoler;45322
Difficulty level - Player resources (valuable/common/gold) - AI strength

1 - 15/30/30000 - approximately 50%
2 - 10/20/20000 - approximately 75%
3 - 7/15/15000 - 100%
4 - 4/10/10000 - 100%
5 - 0/0/0 - 100%

That's why I said that there isn't much difference between levels 3-5, because the AI plays the same, and resources on a large map aren't that important...

And what about 200% and 150%? :)
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The AI's resource amount doesn't change; it's always standard - 7/15/15000.

How can you be sure of this? How did you find out? :)
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IronAxe;45324
And where are 200% and 150%? :)
No, you didn't understand :)
The percentages do not determine the difficulty level, but rather the strength of the computer's play—meaning 100% is when the AI plays at the limit of its capabilities. But I will adjust my post to make it clearer.
And how can one see this for themselves? How did you find out about this? :)
Your question made me doubt my own words, so I specifically re-checked the computer's resources. The following figures were obtained:

1. (80%) - 2/5/5000
2. (100%) - 4/10/7500
3. (130%) - 7/15/10000
4. (160%) - 7/15/10000
5. (200%) - 7/15/10000

I think this is closer to the truth. The only note is that there are slight deviations in gold, which is most likely due to the starting hero having the "Estate" secondary skill.
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So, how many nominations will there be? I suggest one, and whether it's the most difficult or slightly easier doesn't really matter. It's better to make it one difficulty level at 180%, so it's not the most difficult, and the computer won't lag as much. Although, I'll reveal a small secret – there are resources on the map. So, you can even make it 200%.
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I looked at the list of players and realized that 15 of them will be playing at 200% capacity, no matter what they say, so I'm setting the difficulty to 200% and 150% for the next two levels (or some other value, but that's not for me to decide).
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Aren't AmberSoler and I suggesting the same thing?

You still don't understand:
One difficulty level - Impossible
And only 3 rewards.

Did he offer something like that?
I haven't heard of anyone offering only 3 rewards!!!

And if you supposedly know what's happening on other portals, please tell EVERYONE what's happening on other portals, what level they're playing at!?!

Sincerely,
Prorock.

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Prorock;45365
AmberSoler and I are suggesting the same thing, aren't we?
You still don't understand:
One difficulty level - Impossible
And only 3 rewards.
Is that what he suggested?
I haven't heard anyone suggest only 3 rewards!!!

Comrade Prorock, why are you nitpicking? I don't see much difference between my suggestion and yours. It sounded something like this:
One difficulty level - MEDIUM (and this is only out of respect for weak players who find it difficult to play on Impossible). Three ORIGINAL rewards for the top three places. The remaining participants receive standard certificates as a keepsake. But we can also leave it as you suggest, only I think my suggestion is a little better. And AmberSoler was the first to point out the absurdity of five nominations. To be honest, I didn't want to get involved in the discussion at all; I won't mention the reason. But seeing how AmberSoler's reasonable suggestion is being dismissed, I couldn't resist. :)
Prorock;45365

And if you supposedly know what's going on on other portals, then PLEASE tell EVERYONE what's going on on other portals, what level they're playing at!?!

Listen, you supposedly. Since you've appointed yourself as the official assistant of VDV, please learn to address forum participants with "You" (formal). I'll report to you about what's happening on other portals later, after I finish ironing my socks. As if I didn't participate in tournaments on other portals. I may have played a little, but my results should still be in the tables - if you're interested, you can go and check what level they played at. I assure you, I played at the same difficulty level as all the other participants.

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AmberSoler;45325

Your question made me doubt my words, so I specifically rechecked the computer's resources. The following figures were obtained:
1. (80%) - 2/5/5000
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5. (200%) - 7/15/10000
I think this is closer to the truth.

Probably. But I think that in previous posts, you correctly noted that the initial conditions of the OFF-line tournament are absolutely irrelevant; the main thing is that they are the SAME for all participants in the tournament. In my opinion, people stubbornly don't want to understand this, with a few exceptions. If there are players who doubt whether they can even pass on a difficult level, then I agree to play on an easy level if ALL players play on it (including the strong ones), what's the big deal.
The tournament will still objectively show the level of each player's game in relation to another. Two nominations, or even more so five, will not show anything, ESPECIALLY if they allow sending a save ONLY in ONE nomination. And if there is no objective assessment, then what is the point of the tournament, and who is really the Best of the Best?

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AlexeyPank;45351
So how many nominations will there be????? I suggest one, and whether it's the most difficult or a little easier is not important. It's better to make one difficulty level 180%, it's not the most difficult, and the computer won't lag so much. Although, I'll reveal a small secret - there are resources on the map. So, you can even make it 200%.

This guy is thinking clearly! I'm giving him a plus :)
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IronAxe;45393
Comrade Prorock, why are you nitpicking over trivial things? I don't see much difference between my suggestion and yours. It would sound something like this: One difficulty level - MEDIUM (and this is only out of respect for weak players who find it difficult to play on Impossible). Three ORIGINAL prizes for the top three places. The remaining participants receive standard certificates as a memento. But we can also leave it as you suggest, only I think my suggestion is slightly better. And AmberSoler was the first to point out the absurdity of five nominations. To be honest, I didn't want to get involved in the discussion at all, I won't mention the reason. But seeing how AmberSoler's normal suggestion is being dismissed, I couldn't resist :) The difference between Medium and High difficulty levels is far from trivial. I will explain why below! And consolation prizes are just not serious... I am an assistant organizer of tournaments, BUT this tournament is entirely in the hands of the respected VDV forever - I AM PARTICIPATING IN IT IN THE SAME PASSIVE WAY AS ALL OF YOU! I suggest that you, IronAxe, do not continue this UNPLEASANT discussion, so that it does not create two warring camps and does not affect our further relationship and communication.;) I will now explain to you all the difference, why it is worth playing on Impossible, and not on Medium. You are all focused on beginners - and that's GOOD, but... The chances of beginners will not change at all depending on the difficulty level!!! If everyone starts on the Medium difficulty level, then the beginner will still develop much slower than a pro. TRUST ME, a pro will take full advantage of the fact that he started the game with resources. If everyone starts the game on Impossible, then the beginner will have to stand still for the first week, and the pro will still try to break through and eventually be far ahead. Pros will use the opportunity given to them by 120%, and a beginner only by 50%. THEREFORE, the choice of the overall DIFFICULTY level should not affect the final outcome of the tournament. And if it doesn't affect it, then why should we play on the Medium difficulty level? WE NEED TO SET OURSELVES THE TASK NOT TO GIVE OUT CONSOLATION PRIZES, BUT TO TEACH EVERYONE TO PLAY, AND NOT JUST PLAY, BUT PLAY WELL! ONLY THEN WILL WE ACHIEVE GOOD GAMEPLAY AND THE RESPECT OF OTHER PORTALS. IT WILL BE MUCH MORE INTERESTING TO PLAY WITH US. There is nothing wrong with starting to play with nothing. Pros always manage to build level 7 creatures in the first week - and this means that a beginner can theoretically do the same - WE MUST SHOW HIM THIS IN PRACTICE! This will be the highest reward for him, rather than a certificate for simple participation. In all the tournaments that I participated in, they were held on the Impossible level... and I learned to make many moves that pros make... I LEARNED! With respect, Prorock.

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Prorock;45365
...what's going on in other forums, what level are they playing at?!
Everyone plays on impossible difficulty, using the same save file...
Everyone is happy, and there are no arguments! :)
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