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Ment
It wasn't obvious. It was believed that Galilean transformations applied to light.
I'm not talking about what was believed a certain number of years ago, but about the fact that the speed of light does not exceed 300,000 km/s, and it's interesting to know where this speed came from.
Ment
And even earlier, it was believed that light propagated instantaneously.
And even earlier, it was believed that the Earth was flat and the sun revolved around it.
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Will we burn inside the fires of a thousand suns...
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And even earlier, it was believed that the Earth was flat and the sun revolved around it.
And some believe so even now :)
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The attempts of a person to explain nature with numbers are amusing.
Here, by the way, it's not entirely about numbers. If we are still talking about physics, then almost every theory is based on some kind of equations. However, these are equations of a different nature, not numbers like the ones we are used to from the school algebra course, such as x^2+x=0. These so-called differential equations describe the behavior of a system in a rather general sense, and, if I may say so, characterize certain laws. These laws can manifest themselves in different ways, depending on different conditions that are taken into account when solving the equation (in mathematics and physics, they are called boundary and initial conditions). It is clear, for example, that in a room with sound-absorbing walls, sound will propagate differently than if the walls perfectly reflected sound. The laws of sound propagation remain the same, but to obtain a particular solution, it is necessary to take into account the properties of the environment in each specific case, and the results will be different.

So, in my opinion, all this seemingly abstract mathematics helps to describe the surrounding world quite accurately and universally, and personally, it doesn't seem so naive to me :)
O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.


G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal
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Major Whirlwind

Here's something that isn't entirely about numbers. If we're still talking about physics, then almost every theory is based on some kind of equation. However, these are equations of a different kind, not the numerical ones we're used to from school algebra, like x^2+x=0. These so-called differential equations describe the behavior of a system in a rather general sense, and, if I may say so, characterize certain laws. These laws can manifest themselves in different ways, depending on the different conditions that are taken into account when solving the equation (in mathematics and physics, these are called boundary and initial conditions). It's clear, for example, that in a room with sound-absorbing walls, sound will propagate differently than if the walls perfectly reflected sound. The laws of sound propagation remain the same, but to obtain a particular solution, it is necessary to take into account the properties of the environment in each specific case, and the results will be different.

So, in my opinion, all this seemingly abstract mathematics helps to describe the surrounding world quite accurately and universally, and personally, I don't think it's so naive.
The question was posed slightly differently: people aren't trying to explain the nature of phenomena with numbers, but differential equations and other equations simply describe processes without explaining them. However, I don't quite understand the meaning of the phrase "explaining the nature with numbers"; in science, some fundamental non-numerical phenomena are usually used.
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Yes, indeed, 300,000 – it’s a suspiciously round, beautiful number.
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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Hermit
Yes, indeed, 300,000 – it’s some suspiciously whole, beautiful number.
It’s an approximate value. Always yours, Captain.
Major Whirlwind
Here, by the way, it’s not entirely about numbers. If we’re still talking about physics, then almost every theory is based on some kind of equation. True, these are equations of a different nature, not numbers like we’re used to from the school algebra course, like x^2+x=0. These so-called differential equations describe the behavior of a system in a rather general sense, and, if I may say so, characterize certain laws. These laws can manifest themselves in different ways, depending on the different conditions that are taken into account when solving the equation (in mathematics and physics, they are called boundary and initial conditions). It is clear, for example, that in a room with sound-absorbing walls, sound will propagate differently than if the walls perfectly reflected sound. The laws of sound propagation remain the same, but to obtain a particular solution, it is necessary to take into account the properties of the environment in each specific case, and the results will be different.
Equations, even if they are differential, are still numbers, but in a more general form.
Although I am not against such a "numerical" description of things. After all, a person needs to somehow imagine physics in order to use it in practice.
 

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Nope, that's Hermit, the captain.
My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.
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Yes, indeed, 300,000 – it’s some suspiciously round, beautiful number.
299,792,458 m/s – that’s the harsh reality.
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But even approximately, it's only 300000 - 299792 = 208 km/s less. Compared to 300000, that's very little. I think it's not much more than the measurement error. I don't even remember how they measured it. They probably used some kind of water, split a beam into two parts, and sent one along the flow and the other against it, or something like that...
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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Some astronomer was the first to measure it. He calculated the difference in the time it takes for light to travel from an object to Earth when that distance is smaller and when it is larger.

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Just think, only 208 km/s.
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Today, February 18, 2011, at 14:05 Moscow time, I received in the library my full permanent six-month loan book
LANDAU, LIFSHITZ "Field Theory"
Hooray! :D :D :D :D :D
 

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With the authors' autographs!

Когда я умер, небыло никого, кто бы это опроверг
клан "Vampires"
P.S. ...но против креста Я не пойду никогда...
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Ment, are you suggesting we discuss the theory of fields?
Смысла нет, но вы держитесь там. Удачи, здоровья, хорошего настроения!
И пока в кармане пачка милкиуэйев - значит все не так уж плохо на сегодняшний день



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Lord_de_Sat
Ment, are you suggesting we discuss the theory of fields?
Tell me more about the fifth spiritual dimension. Or whatever it's called.
O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.


G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal

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