Skip to content

Posts from Discussion of level 4 monsters.

No ratings yet — be the first to rate!
Open
Which Tier 4 monster is the best?
112 voters
Single choice
Sign in to participate in this poll.
Poll results will be visible after you vote or when the poll closes.
User Avatar
Auto-translated
champions only win against angels in terms of building speed and growth rate; otherwise, angels are better.
Достоинство человека определяется тем, каким путем он идет к цели, а не тем, достигнет ли он ее.;)
Демократия есть одурачивание народа при помощи народа ради блага народа.(Уайльд Оскар)
User Avatar
Auto-translated
No way, Chaos Dragon! 8-) This is 1 vs. 2 or 4 (champions)!! The strength of the Chaos Dragon lies in the fact that it doesn't lose attack and counter-attack power with damage, unlike others. For example: If you have 4 champions, equal in strength or slightly stronger than the dragon, but with damage, their number will become 3, then 2.... and that's it! The attack power is halved, and the dragon, which was mowing them down with 400 HP, continues to do so with 50 HP. This applies to everyone! Also, it goes first and flies very far... It's really tough against Titans! Yes, they have a ward, so what?! That means we wait one turn, take our 1/2 damage, or even 1/4!!!, and then we unleash on them with two attacks in a row! 8-) And when you have only one Titan left, it will be very difficult... Now, regarding the most useful ones... M-m-m... For Order, it's definitely the Dragon-Golems! In combination with Golems and Genies, it's just devastating! No counter-attack, first strike... Angels fly in, but they get beaten up first! And if there were 10 of them, there will be 8, and the attack is no longer as strong... then we give the Angels a beating without a counter-attack! And then we beat them up again when they want to attack! 3 attacks at the beginning against one!!!!!!!!!!! If you play well, you won't lose an army at all with the genies on neutral grounds! And if you do lose, lower the difficulty level for the champion. ;-)
User Avatar
Auto-translated
You had 4 champions, roughly equal in strength to or slightly stronger than a dragon.
They are weaker, even when attacking with momentum, the attack modifier is too small.
And the dragon, whether it had 400 HP or 50 HP, still deals the same damage.
How does a dragon deal damage with 50 HP? It either finishes off the enemy or dies.
Haven definitely has Dragon Golems.
They are the most useless. They take up a lot of space, you can't cast "Bless" on them or heal them, and they have low HP. The only advantage is their attack, but it doesn't seem worth it. The most useful units for Haven (and not just Haven) are Sorceresses.
And if you're losing, just lower the difficulty level for the champion. ;-)
It's not fashionable to play on champion difficulty anymore.


Барон
"Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!



User Avatar
Auto-translated
I didn't calculate the actual values here; I just provided examples. Regarding the 50 HP, it's figurative. If, say, a dragon takes 350 damage, it will retaliate with the same force. But if angels take 350 damage, only one will remain, which reduces their damage by exactly half! Yes, large Dragon-Golems can get stuck... But you can also clip the wings of angels... It all depends on the tactics and the opponent's experience. But there's also an advantage to size: they can protect both the Djinn and the Hero at the same time! This is very effective against a real opponent!!! I think spells like "Bless" and especially "Cure" are only used against the AI. It seems strange to waste a hero's turn casting such spells when the opponent might cast, say, a "General Protection" spell. It will be very painful if you don't cast a "General Dispel Magic" or something similar. 8-) By the way, there's a trick to this, as many negative spells don't affect Golems, so in my opinion, this is a plus for playing against a real opponent. As for hiring Titans in pairs with Djinn, and some brave players taking Mages, it's almost suicide... I haven't met any pros playing as Titans; in my opinion, it's only for playing against the computer. 8-) Although, maybe there are changes in their favor in an unofficial add-on... ;-)

Regarding Witches, I don't know; you probably mean an unofficial expansion. Unfortunately, I haven't played it, and I've only encountered Witches as neutral creatures that can't be hired in the city, only in huts.
User Avatar
Auto-translated
Okay, let's go through this step by step:

1) To reach the enemy, you first need to defeat many neutral creatures. If you do this slowly and with losses, the battle with the opponent will turn into a mere formality. Therefore
Yes, large Dragon Golems, and maybe a stone will appear, and they will get stuck...
And they won't have time to, say, "cover" a ranged unit or a sorceress in time. Therefore, clearing the area with them is much more difficult than with titans.
I think such spells as "Bless" and especially "Cure" are only used against AI.
Very useful spells for clearing the area, especially healing. In Fortress, there are no questions - mass cancel, slow, hypnotize, disable, etc. But you need to survive until you reach Fortress, as I already wrote.

Sorceresses are recruited in outer dwellings, if there are any on the map.


Барон
"Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!



User Avatar
Auto-translated
I agree that it will be difficult to reach the Fortress with Golems; Titans are inherently better for quickly leveling up a hero and fighting the AI, and they are also easier to use. BUT, how do you deal with them in the Final Battle? Let's say we cast "Celestial Gate" (or something like that... I don't remember the exact name...). I generally think this is the best spell in the game if you're playing as Humans, in the order: Pikemen, Knights, Angels. And that's it! After getting as close as possible to the enemy's ranged units and mages (Medusa, Djinn, Titans, Magic Dragons, Archers, etc.), we cast a general dispel, and LET THE ENEMY GET REKT... I'm not even mentioning that we position the Knights right next to the enemy's main hero... two hits... Death, and then death again after Resurrection... The game is won! 8-)) I'll repeat, it all depends on the map and the opponent's experience. If you're playing against an experienced player, Titans paired with Djinns is a losing strategy! =( And we won't be able to accumulate that many Witches... Although they are awesome... I think they are the most annoying opponents! 8-) By the way, here's how I defend against neutrals: I cast illusions of Dragon Golems with Djinns, which immediately block the ranged units. Then, with the second stack, I cast "Song of Peace" on the most dangerous unit and bring the entire army down to the Djinns and Golems! As a result, the hero runs around the map, and the enemies are reduced to just 2-3 stacks. They are very easily defeated because the stupid AI attacks the illusions and the hero! 8-) There will be no losses! 8-) And when you have 20 Golems, it's funny how an enemy unit dies without even hitting you, after receiving the first blow! 8-)
In reply to ViTTuS
User Avatar
Auto-translated
ViTTuS
I haven't encountered any pros playing as the Titans...
But have you encountered many pros in general?
Модератор форума Лиги Героев (http://forum.heroesleague.ru)



User Avatar
Auto-translated
actually, the topic sounds like this: which unit is the best? The Dragon King isn't called that for nothing. If we only consider the units that can be summoned from a castle, then the Dragon King is the best. It deals damage like two other units (almost any), has twice as much health as the others, and also has more defense and attack. But this is if we understand the topic as a 1-on-1 unit comparison. If we consider it in the context of the game, then it's more likely to be the Phoenix or the Angel. We can also include the Devils (I'm not sure). Because the Phoenix is the fastest unit, it can be resurrected, and it attacks multiple targets. The Angel revives killed units, especially heroes.


Тебя оскорбили - забудь...тебя унизили - прости...тебя ударили - вспомни всё и убей!!!
:smile10: :smile17: :smile19:

Армия* - это люди, собранные в одном месте с единственной целью: исправлять ошибки дипломатов.

Д. Дэниелз
User Avatar
Auto-translated
That's enough... I've met some pros! I've been playing since 2002, and not just at home against bots! 8)
But I'm still far from the masters and gurus...

In general, a lot depends on the map, its size, difficulty, and the opponent (rush strategy). But on large maps, Titans aren't that great... 8)

In general, when you have a lot of archers, it's easy on a small map, against bots and neutrals, but it's difficult against a smart player! =D + If the opponent has life magic with a "Sanctuary" and they're playing a melee build, then you don't stand a chance! 8)

I agree about the Angels, they're very good! and useful!!! The ability to have two resurrections (from a potion) in a battle is colossal in a tactical game or against an opponent! 8-) Angels get a +! =)
In reply to ViTTuS
User Avatar
Auto-translated
ViTTuS
I haven't encountered any pros playing as Titans.
I haven't encountered any pros playing as Dragon Golems. Zubr explained. Shnurov's surprise is understandable. Participate in the upcoming World Championship – you'll gain invaluable experience. You'll rethink many of your habits.
Heroes of might and magic 4 on-line World Championships
In reply to ViTTuS
User Avatar
Auto-translated
ViTTuS
That's enough... I've encountered pros! I've been playing since 2002, and not just at home against bots! 8-)
Playing against bots is good. But still... Who is a pro?
I consider those who have played online a lot on an interesting resource like toheroes.com to be pros.
Are you familiar with it?
Many nicknames come to mind. Legendary ones.
STRANNiK can confirm :)
Модератор форума Лиги Героев (http://forum.heroesleague.ru)



User Avatar
Auto-translated
go ahead and play, maybe even reach the championship with the French – as my friend said, the French are good players)). So, compete with them, and maybe you’ll be ready for the championship.


Тебя оскорбили - забудь...тебя унизили - прости...тебя ударили - вспомни всё и убей!!!
:smile10: :smile17: :smile19:

Армия* - это люди, собранные в одном месте с единственной целью: исправлять ошибки дипломатов.

Д. Дэниелз
User Avatar
Auto-translated
devils are the best, they summon a demon, which will take the retaliatory strike upon itself, and if they're lucky, the Chaos Daemon will be stunned, and then it's definitely game over.
Auto-translated
Of course, black dragons are the best :) But this is only true in 1v1 battles and without a hero; in all other cases, black dragons are not effective (well, maybe in most cases, although if a pro is playing...). The same goes for monsters; you get 3 of them per week, increased damage, plus if there's a druid hero in the squad, the dragon's strength and the dragons are doomed (in my opinion)). But this is just one example; you can defeat any unit if you approach it intelligently. And even "Ressurection" won't help... In my opinion, the debate about celestial dragons is pointless because they are level 5, not level 4. Yes, I know that there are no level 5 units in Heroes, but if you think about it logically, why would the developers create a level 5 unit class just for one dragon? So they tied it to level 4; if you don't like it, consider celestial dragons an improved version of black dragons, similar to the third game. But here, we are considering standard units, plus it's not on the list, and plus you can't hire them; there are many reasons not to consider them as a unit in this review. I also like angels (they're better than champions) with their resurrection ability, and phoenixes too, with their self-resurrection and area-of-effect attack. But in general, it would be better to have a poll with several answer options, as not everyone has only one favorite type of unit.

Statistics

Welcome our newest member: Emil