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Dirty_Player
:confused: This is news to me. So, can we have a definition of the word "SPORT"?
organized activity of people according to certain rules, consisting in comparing their physical and intellectual abilities, as well as preparation for this activity and interpersonal relationships that arise in its process.

Even "who can make the biggest pile" fits the definition of sport.

I was talking about official sports (football, swimming, skiing, etc.). Heroes is not an official sport because:

1. It is not even recognized as an esports discipline.
2. Esports is not equated with traditional sports.

So, let's not split hairs; the point was different. So much time spent commenting + waiting for the opponent's turn. What kind of commentary is that?

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No, if someone does it in a way that it's not 15 minutes of silence, then a couple of phrases, and then silence again, I'll take back my words.
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Perhaps, for fans of competitive gameplay, Heroes is seen as a sport, while for fans of single-player games, it's more of an excuse to grab a beer after work. There are exceptions, but that's the general idea...
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So, there's no need to nitpick; the underlying idea is different. Spending so much time commenting and waiting for the opponent's turn. What kind of patience does the commentator have?

For me, sports are about competing and fighting for victory and prize-winning places. Heroes offer that opportunity. It's just that it's not an official sport... But that's not the point.

And if we return to the question, you can comment on anything, even "who can make the biggest pile." The only thing is that not everyone can do it because no one will pay for it...
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Heroes are probably perceived as a sport by fans of Wargames, while fans of Soda perceive it as an excuse to have a beer after work. There are exceptions, but in general...
Soda brings people together! :smile18:
Comrades! Let's fight Wargames against alcoholism and bureaucracy! :smile12:
:D :D :D
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Lighter is just equivalent to 300 AMP for the player. I don't see where the gameplay has been changed :confused:
Did I mention Lighter anywhere? No... I'm talking about how the Heroes have been castrated – why was diplomacy cut out, you scoundrels? And what's wrong with the buffed vampires? And the cartographer with the hill fort? They even killed Vidomina with Isro and Mullich, you monsters! And they don't let you upgrade the butterflies, you creeps! Give us true, uncastrated Heroes! Down with the pathetic rule-makers! And the vile hackers who break the pristine, genius code of Heroes with all sorts of cheating programs like Lighter and HD. Van Caneghem created a brilliant game, so all attempts to defile it with so-called "balancing" changes and additions must be stopped dead in their tracks! Hooray, comrades!
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No... I'm talking about the fact that castrated Heroes are the rules of HeroesWorld
offsides and cards in football don't make that game castrated.
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Van Caneghem created a brilliant game, so all attempts to degrade it with so-called "balancing" changes and additions should be stopped in the bud!

Hooray, comrades!

If Van Caneghem (or whoever is in charge, I don't know) released patches for Heroes, there simply wouldn't be any attempts to degrade it with so-called "balancing" changes and additions.
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SOD brings people together! :smile18:
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I wonder, then, which is more toxic: Крем-Soda or whiskey with soda? :D
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If Van Caneghem (or whoever is in charge of that, I don't know) released patches for Heroes, there simply wouldn't be any attempts to cheapen it with so-called "balancing" changes and additions.
Yeah, and all sorts of rogues take advantage of this, spawning, you know, various crappy rules without diplomacy and other ideas laid down by the Great Caneghem.

What kind of war is without diplomacy ?!!! What are you talking about ?! Diplomacy is more than half of any real war ! Wars are won precisely through diplomacy, precisely thanks to it one manages to gather forces superior to the enemy. How would the USSR have fought Germany without the military and material aid of the allies? And how would Cortez with his hundred warriors have captured the multi-million-strong Aztec state? Only through diplomacy.

And through the efforts of all sorts of shady individuals, Heroes turned from a Game into a pop trainer for bespectacled nerds. Who hate Mullich so much that they banned him. Ban the best hero !!! That's just tyranny; in all eras, outstanding heroes were cherished and nurtured, relied upon; finding one was considered an achievement.

Suvorov, for instance, led his troops through the Alps and inflicted a crushing defeat on the enemies. If the rule-makers of HeroesWorld ruled Russia, they would have banned Suvorov — imbalance, dammit ...

And the shifted guard rule ! Who even came up with such nonsense ?! In all eras, the ability to capture a key object without a fight was considered the pinnacle of a commander's talent. Such commanders were loved by soldiers, respected by kings, and highly valued by contemporaries and descendants. The Germans, for example, in 1940 simply bypassed the Maginot Line and captured France almost without a fight. Because they didn't know about the shifted guard rule. If they had known, they would have fallen there during the assault and gone down in history as some sort of fools.

And the bans on using engine bugs ! There are no bugs in life, only features. For instance, the chain reaction of uranium nuclear fission — that's clearly a bug. Such a little box, yet it blows everything to dust for hundreds of kilometers around. Definitely a bug and an imbalance. It's just that those in politics are by no means the authors of HeroesWorld rules, so they use this ... hmm ... "bug" for their strategic purposes — either applying it as intended, or using the possibility of its application to pressure the minds of their neighbors.

Do you think you are smarter than Caneghem ?! You are not fit to lick his boots; you only know how to whine about imbalance, that the enemy, through his wit and valor, united half the map against you in war, while you only exploited the population of captured cities and plundered neighboring territories.

I resolutely demand to return Heroes their original spirit, to abandon that castrated version practiced on HeroesWorld!
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topic "Go ahead, newbie!" ...
I urge you to end the argument or continue it in the Forum...
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I absolutely insist on returning the original spirit to Heroes, abandoning that castrated version which is practiced on HeroesWorld!
Leave HeroesWorld alone. The crazy stuff is from the HP tournaments.
Though, damn, using bugs is banned there too, and they are also an embodiment of the ideas of the G.(reat) D.(esigner).
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The topic "Go ahead, newbie!" is actually...
I urge you to end the argument or continue it in the Tribune...
This isn't an argument, it's humor :)
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I resolutely demand to return the original spirit to Heroes, to abandon that neutered version that is practiced on HeroesWorld !

Ah, well said :smile20:
P.S. when is the next lawlessness? :smile13:
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Yeah, and all sorts of scoundrels take advantage of this, creating all sorts of crappy rules without diplomacy and other ideas laid down by the Great Kanenghem.

What war is there without diplomacy?! What are you talking about?! Diplomacy is more than half of any real war! It is through diplomacy that wars are won, and it is through it that it is possible to gather forces superior to the enemy. How would the USSR have fought against Germany without military and material assistance from the allies? And how would Cortes, with his hundred soldiers, have conquered the multi-million state of the Aztecs? Only through diplomacy.


Yes, diplomacy is an art, but in Heroes it creates an imbalance :D when it is applied, just as in real life, because one can argue a lot about what would have happened if the Turks in 1942 had actually done what they had agreed with Hitler, this is a prime example of diplomacy.... :) therefore, I think its ban is CORRECT ;)
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Van Caneghem created a brilliant game, so any attempts to vulgarize it with so-called "balancing" changes and additions must be nipped in the bud!

Hurrah, comrades!
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Vic, you'll laugh, but when we played SoD together, you were sitting across from me. And your eyes were different back then — not cynically ironic, but more human, you know? SoD is not a battlefield, not a mockery — it's a world we can never fully comprehend because it wasn't created by us.
Ask yourself, would the heroes have become so popular if TE had been officially released after The Shadow of Death? Or VT? Probably not; they would have faced the fate of Heroes IV :( .
In general, all the ideas from WoG are copied from Disciples and Age of Wonders. I love both of those games, but in terms of popularity... where are they and where are Heroes?

2 Loy. I'm waiting for you to visit in May, in Michurinsk. I understand it's far and expensive..., but otherwise we won't get to chat, have a drink, or remember the old forum. Hell, by the way, you were the first person I talked to when I came here three years ago because I didn't know how to play online, and you explained how everything works. Decon did manage to break away and visit me this summer, but what about you?

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