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Well, I think nothing needs to be done. Who even said that the teleport should cover the entire map? It's just a type of movement. In Heroes of Might and Magic IV, it also doesn't seem to cover the entire map.
Not necessary? Perhaps not. But it's possible. And if it's possible, why not do it?
 

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No, the speed of creatures should be limited. I think the best option is when there are two squares left to the farthest point on the other side of the field: you can defeat large creatures, but you won't be able to reach all the others :).

And what prevented you from removing the "Hypnosis" spell? In "Heroes 5," its duration depends on the spell power, so it can be 10 or 20 turns :eek:. Would you not remove the spell in such situations?

Are you suggesting throwing away the strongest creature?! They cost me a lot, and even half of their damage (for demons - half) deals more damage than most other level five creatures (there are only five levels)! Moreover, almost all other troops are, on the contrary, vulnerable to fire, especially the thorn ents. So this is unfounded :).
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That's exactly what I mean, it depends on the power, and in general, I'm just saying this as an aside; he's just talking nonsense, saying that teleportation of devils creates an imbalance! In part 3, almost all level 7 creatures could reach everyone, and nothing happened!

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And no one said that dragons in the Castle should be removed; just take another creature before the battle with the demons!

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Resurrection is a real imbalance; it's scary to imagine how a difficult battle is going, and Vasya, scratching his balls and making a cool face, resurrects the entire stack that was so hard to kill.
Dragons too. They deal two stacks of damage in one hit, and they can also fly.
In general, the game is very unbalanced; I agree with Winner.

What prevents you from hitting angels right away, and in general, if you know how to play, you can defeat any race with any race without any whining!

As for dragons, yes, in Heroes 5, if they are lucky and they fight early, they can take out two at once!

For example, I and a friend have played Heroes against each other many times with different races, and in the final, we fought each other, and each time the battles turn out differently!
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In two out of three games, the devil is an idiot =(
That's absolutely right!

I agree with you, teleport is not a luxury, but just a means of movement :D. It's the same type of movement as flight. Therefore, it shouldn't be better than other types. If dragons can only fly to the unit standing opposite, why should devils have the advantage of attacking any unit at the beginning of the battle? Then they should be made as strong as bone dragons. And I think "summoning the lords" won't be a thing anymore – it's a different part of the game, after all.

Overall, several types of damage will diversify the gameplay, but I really can't imagine poison damage.
Карты для Heroes of Might and Magic V
Цикл "Закадычные враги": "Особенное гостеприимство, "Супероружие", "Меж молотом и наковальней"
"Падение Шантири"

Кампания для "Кодекса Войны"
"Выбор Сагиттеля"
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Why should Death Knights be faster than Archdevils? They aren't faster than Emerald Dragons or Phoenixes in Heroes 5, by the way. Yes, it's about the movement type. But the more unique features different creatures have, the more diverse the gameplay becomes. Then you can also say: why do Black Dragons need flight? Let them walk. Movement isn't a luxury, but a means to reach the goal :D
 

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Are there any specific, well-founded complaints about the limited teleportation/movement ability of the Devils?
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It's not about that. Are there specific, justified reasons for not imposing such restrictions? :)
I'm not saying that it absolutely must be this way. I'm just defending the possibility itself.
 

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I'm telling you, teleportation isn't a luxury, but just a means of movement :D. It's the same type of movement as flight. Therefore, it shouldn't be better than others.
But this is what distinguishes devils from other flying units.
If dragons can only fly to the unit standing opposite them, why should devils have the advantage of being able to attack any unit at the beginning of the battle? Then they should be made as strong as bone dragons. And I don't think "summoning lords" will be a thing anymore – it's a different part of the game, after all.
Because these aren't dragons, they're devils, and if devils were given the ability to move 1-2 squares further in the 5th installment, nothing would change. And each level 7 unit in the cities has a unique feature: archangels – resurrection, devils – summoning (teleportation is a special type of movement), Black Dragons – partial immunity to magic, etc.
Overall, several types of damage would diversify the gameplay, but I definitely can't imagine poison damage.
I think poison damage is just an addition to the main damage
Достоинство человека определяется тем, каким путем он идет к цели, а не тем, достигнет ли он ее.;)
Демократия есть одурачивание народа при помощи народа ради блага народа.(Уайльд Оскар)
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In King's Bounty, different types of damage are often combined in a single attack. But some units (like the bone dragon, for example) deal exclusively poison damage. By the way, here's why teleportation is associated with demons? I can imagine it even as a walking ability :). Moreover, regarding the limitation, I'm expressing my opinion, especially since this aspect was balanced quite well in Heroes 5. And black dragons should fly further because… they are the strongest unit, after all! And they don't have any special abilities! Different units need unique features, but teleportation is just an animation. In the game, teleportation is no different from flight. So, why make this animation better than the original?
Карты для Heroes of Might and Magic V
Цикл "Закадычные враги": "Особенное гостеприимство, "Супероружие", "Меж молотом и наковальней"
"Падение Шантири"

Кампания для "Кодекса Войны"
"Выбор Сагиттеля"
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Sure, let the devil fly or jump like a Barbarian from Diablo 2 (yes, yes!).
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I also disagree with =Feel999= regarding the Black Dragon. You can't cast a curse on it, nor can you bestow a blessing. Only Warlocks can attack it with magic. Statistically, dragons also surpass almost everyone. There's no one faster than the Black Dragon in a party of five; it and its Twilight counterpart can reach the last cell of the map in one turn. So, there's no need for that.
I'm saying, let it move as much and as far as it wants, but not further than the Black Dragon :smile17:.
In a party of five, only a few units surpass the Black Dragon in stats; in a party of five, it has been significantly weakened (they didn't even give it normal magic immunity). How can you fly further than you can teleport? And why should the Black Dragon be able to reach the end, but not the Devils? This disrupts the balance, as you say.

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I didn't like the Maniacs. They're a terrible replacement for Imps (although I hoped they would replace Imps, but not with these...). They're chained up, and you can't even see their faces properly because of it. And yes, I doubt anyone has any doubts that the Maniacs live in the Core. Maybe they'll have an ability to hold enemies in chains like a Treant holds them with roots. There are already 3 new units in the Inferno; I wonder if the Archdevils will be the usual Devils or a new unit...
Достоинство человека определяется тем, каким путем он идет к цели, а не тем, достигнет ли он ее.;)
Демократия есть одурачивание народа при помощи народа ради блага народа.(Уайльд Оскар)
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The Maniacs look rather weak, so they are clearly a core unit. They will shriek piercingly when attacking and laugh when they are being attacked. Perhaps this will be linked to some kind of demoralizing ability. The demon itself looks good to me. The name, however, is a bit strange. Maniacs and... mentally deficient
O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.

G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal
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They will shriek piercingly when attacking and laugh when they are the ones being attacked :) Perhaps some kind of demoralizing ability will be linked to this.

The demon itself, in my opinion, is not bad. Only the name is strange. Maniacs and... mentally disabled madmen?
Would "rape" and "torture" abilities fit? I don't really like that they've been wrapped in chains like mummies in toilet paper. But they look very cunning.
Достоинство человека определяется тем, каким путем он идет к цели, а не тем, достигнет ли он ее.;)
Демократия есть одурачивание народа при помощи народа ради блага народа.(Уайльд Оскар)
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It seems they really liked the ghoul model, considering they're putting it everywhere.
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Ment, you are largely correct. But in the "Heroes 6 Discussion" thread, a link to a YouTube video was posted, in which a player blinded several units of Phoenixes (there were many of them) and defeated them one by one. And the stats of the Phoenixes are weaker.

Yes, another copy of the Ghoul. But these maniacs don't look any better than the Torturers. I don't like the Inferno faction, on the contrary. It seems that the developers tried to make it "scarier and even scarier." Maybe at least the Archdemon will be decent?
Карты для Heroes of Might and Magic V
Цикл "Закадычные враги": "Особенное гостеприимство, "Супероружие", "Меж молотом и наковальней"
"Падение Шантири"

Кампания для "Кодекса Войны"
"Выбор Сагиттеля"
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Yeah, but that guy in the armored underwear is definitely not cool. And the name is just ridiculous. I only like the chain-legged creatures.
А, вот почему.

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