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Registered: 10/1/2006

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#85 10/28/2006 5:33 AM UTC

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***JOKER***;41643

I suggest adding an option to disable reputation. It would disable reputation only for those who want to never see it again... This option exists on my forum, and I think it exists on ours too (although it's a slightly older version)... Technically, this issue is very easy to resolve.

Have you considered that people might start posting content of a completely different nature:
- posts will become shorter, just like in a chat (well... what's up... hey... etc. :))
- people will freely write EVERYTHING they think without fear. This, in turn, will lead to the same conflicts!

You seem to forget:
Reputation conflict is a conflict of opinions.
Post conflict will ALREADY be an interpersonal CONFLICT!

I think that the presence of reputation somewhat restrains forum members, keeping them within certain boundaries of decency.

If reputation is removed, then everyone will have to join a Guild. Those who don't join will become self-appointed judges, and the only thing that will restrain them is their conscience :)
And the Guild, meanwhile, will come up with something like a "Hall of Shame" and will thereby exercise control over the forum's life.
And it will turn out that this will be the SAME REPUTATION, only now it will be used to condemn in a COLLECTIVE manner, not individually!

This is just my opinion on how the further scenario might develop!
The rest is up to you...?

Sincerely,
Prorock.

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#86 10/28/2006 6:50 AM UTC

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Prorock;41650

Don't you think that people might start posting completely different content:
-they'll start posting short messages, just like in a chat (well... uh... basically... hi... and so on :))
-people will start writing EVERYTHING they think without any fear. This, in turn, will lead to the same conflicts!

Well, that's what moderators are for. And introduce warnings, like it's done on the Nival forum. There, it's done like this: you can get 100% warnings, and then the person automatically gets banned for a week (or a month), for example. The percentage of your warnings is displayed only to you next to each of your messages, so it's impossible not to notice. Usually, for the things you described (i.e., generating spam with short messages or insults...), the message is simply deleted, and +20% warning is added with a corresponding explanation in a private message about why. This system might seem harsh to some, but I assure you that after getting 40% warnings, you start thinking about a ban... when the warnings exceed 60% (I only had 40%, and that was because I didn't understand some of the rules, which I immediately learned once and for all), you start monitoring each of your messages...
In my opinion, it's an excellent system (Snow can tell you more after the events of patch 1.3 ;))

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#87 10/28/2006 9:08 AM UTC

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What a controversial topic it turned out to be. I wanted to bring peace to the forum, but truly, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I apologize to all forum members for unintentionally opening the floodgates of general discontent.

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#88 10/28/2006 9:47 AM UTC

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Prorock

Haven't you considered that people might start posting content of a completely different nature:
-they'll start posting short messages, just like in a chat (well... you know... hello... and so on)
-people will write EVERYTHING they think without fear. This, in turn, will lead to the same conflicts!

Haven't you considered that people still have a conscience? (sometimes:)) And that it might prevent them from writing "bad" messages? Or do you think that reputation was the only thing holding us back?

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#89 10/28/2006 12:12 PM UTC

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Night;41675

Don't you think that people still have a conscience? (sometimes:)) And that it can prevent people from writing "bad" messages? Or do you think that the only thing that kept us in check was reputation?

I already wrote about CONSCIENCE in one of the posts, it's a shame you missed it! :
Conscience is a good STOP, as you rightly noted!
But not everyone has it, and those who do usually forget it at home!

I know many very good, TRULY good people who claim they don't have a conscience! :

Ideally, conscience would be the best

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#90 10/28/2006 1:21 PM UTC

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Well, on the Nival forum, the penalty system isn't exactly great either, but it's still quite reasonable. After the release of 1.3, I wrote a lot of "nice things" there about the developers, and as a result, I got banned for 6 weeks for "repeated flaming." And even when my penalty level was 60% (I have no idea how it's calculated), I had already agreed with a moderator that I wouldn't cause any more trouble and hadn't written anything else, but half an hour later, some jerk moderator banned me. So, you have to be more careful with the penalties – to avoid being punished twice for the same message, but otherwise, the system works.

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#91 10/28/2006 1:45 PM UTC

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There is a psychological trick: lock two conflicting or quarreling people in a room so that they can speak their minds. After which, PEACE inevitably follows!

The "PEACE to the World" thread serves as such a room.
It acts as a chamber of reconciliation and agreement — THAT IS ITS ULTIMATE GOAL, but before reaching the goal, one must go through the PROCESS.
And the PROCESS, in turn, is accompanied by confusing disputes and arguments between parties. BUT THIS IS NOT INEVITABLE — let people speak; they have something to say!

Ultimately, the END justifies the MEANS!

I wrote this for those who say things like: "Oh, what kind of nonsense is going on here...?" or "What is all this for... better let's just break something!?":)

Psychology is a POWER that pulls the strings of human EGO-states!

Respectfully,
Prorock.

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#92 10/28/2006 9:02 PM UTC

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Since that's the case, I'll also share everything that's been bothering me. 1 - The forum is turning from a Heroes forum into a forum like "Dom-2" (a reality TV show). 2 - The reason for the conflicts isn't reputation, as many believe, nor is it boredom, but rather it logically stems from the fact that people each have their own opinion. 3 - Therefore, canceling the reputation system won't help resolve the conflicts. 4 - The best solution, in my opinion, is for the conflicting parties to express their opinions and for the other forum members to decide on this issue. 5 - We need to finally learn to respect other people's opinions. 6 - Most importantly, we need to remember that we are all united by our love for Heroes, and differing opinions are a good thing! P.S. Let's

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Registered: 6/23/2006

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#93 10/28/2006 10:27 PM UTC

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Prorock;41720

There’s a psychological trick: you lock two conflicting, arguing people in a room so they can express themselves. After that, peace inevitably comes!

The “Peace to the World” topic acts as such a room.
It serves as a room for reconciliation and agreement – THAT is its ultimate goal, but before reaching the goal, you need to go through a PROCESS.
And the PROCESS, in turn, is accompanied by incomprehensible disputes and arguments between the parties. BUT THIS IS UNAVOIDABLE – let people speak out, they have something to say!

Ultimately, the GOAL justifies the MEANS!

I wrote this for those who say things like: "What the heck is going on here...?" or "Why do we need all this... let's break something instead!?":)

Psychology is a POWER that controls the threads of a person's EGO states!

Sincerely,
Prorock.

That's how it is. But how do you lock people in this topic? Inevitably, conversations like: "We have nothing to talk about..." will begin.

Пуля производит удивительные изменения в голове, даже если она попадает в за***цу.

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#94 10/29/2006 6:21 AM UTC

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SKIF;41797

That may be true. But how do you keep people locked in this thread? Conversations like "We have nothing to talk about..." will inevitably start.

The fact that people are already VOLUNTARILY entering this thread in order to figure out and solve the problem already says a lot.

Why would anyone need to actually fight for long with someone they'll still have to live under one roof with—the roof of our forum?:)

When Andrey and Tanya had their quarrel, you saw yourself that their fight did NOT go without PUBLIC attention. Every time they hit a dead end, the PEOPLE (only then) started to intervene.
After all, they hit a dead end more than once, but in the end, everything was resolved!:)

Let the PROCESS be an individual-collective one!

Respectfully,
Prorock.

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#95 10/30/2006 9:56 AM UTC

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Good, useful topic. For example, Prorock and I have reconciled! Let's bring peace to the world!

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#96 10/30/2006 10:09 AM UTC

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Qwerty;42102

Good, useful topic. For example, Prorock and I have made peace! Let there be peace in the world!

That's Qwerty
PEACE!!!:)

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#97 10/30/2006 6:13 PM UTC

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I'm glad the topic turned out to be useful. It's nice to know that I was able to help at least two people reconcile. Keep it up!!!
PEACE TO THE WORLD!!!

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#98 10/30/2006 7:04 PM UTC

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As I mentioned at the very beginning, this topic is destined for success! It appeared at the right time and in the right place, and it will be useful and necessary not only for us – Qwerty, Andrey, and Tanya – but also for many others! This is just the beginning, but WE HAVE ALREADY LAID THE FOUNDATION FOR THE WORLD

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#99 10/30/2006 11:31 PM UTC

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And I hope that the topic will completely die out due to lack of interest.

Пуля производит удивительные изменения в голове, даже если она попадает в за***цу.

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