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#56 10/13/2010 3:06 PM UTC

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Ple-Sen

It has already been discussed that these "daughters" look too much like elven nymphs.

Then why are they on the battlefield with Haven and Necropolis? Are they scouting the area? Definitely a new caster, possibly a healer to replace the monk, or an embodiment of Ashan's light.

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Morning

What is going on here?

The upgraded pikemen look very bad. How can such a spear even be used in battle?

They should be hitting enemies in the head.

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I already kept silent about the gems in the golden armor for low-level units, the cloak, and the large wings on the helmet, the half-centner of iron, and the visor on the archer's eyes, but the spear was the last straw.

I'm really surprised how they can even walk; the visor on the archer's eyes is a useful thing, but it greatly hinders their vision.

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Ple-Sen

Well, yes, an army of such pikemen would be simply ridiculously pompous; they would impress the enemy with their pomposity, not with their spears.

What can you do? They're fashionistas...

I understand everything now; they really complicated the story. Why couldn't they have made it simpler? Well, all right, so the glowing women are the daughters of Elrath, for example. I can't imagine any other way to explain their appearance in Haven. Here's another idea that came to mind: "elemental of light."

Достоинство человека определяется тем, каким путем он идет к цели, а не тем, достигнет ли он ее.;)
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#62 10/13/2010 4:29 PM UTC

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So, are these the embodiments of Asha, or not?

Let me explain:
Asha is the primordial dragon of Order and has three aspects.
Malassa is Asha's daughter, a dragon of Darkness.
Silanna is Asha's daughter, a dragon of Earth.
Elrath is Asha's son, a dragon of Light.
Shalassa is Asha's daughter, a dragon of Water.
Arkat is Asha's son, a dragon of Fire.
Sar-Elam was formerly a mage, then a dragon, now a skull, not a god but very powerful.
Urghash is Asha's brother, the primordial dragon of Chaos.
The Six Demon Lords are Urghash's sons, the antitheses of the elemental dragons; they have disappeared.
Kha-Beleth is the current ruler of Sheoh, possibly one of the Demon Lords, or their replacement created by Urghash.

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I understand everything now; they really complicated the story, couldn't they have made it simpler? So, the glowing women are Elrath's daughters, for example; I can't imagine any other way to explain their appearance in Haven. Another thought just occurred to me: "elemental of light."

I don't know; it's a rather strange idea, perhaps it's one of the "advanced classes," but it's too early to judge.

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#65 10/13/2010 5:00 PM UTC

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On the one hand, it's a pity that players won't have priests/clerics/inquisitors. People have gotten used to them, although, like griffons and angels, they only appeared in Heroes of Might and Magic III, so it's a less noticeable loss compared to infantry and archers.
However, the class could still be named "cleric" or something similar, which is why they removed the unit.

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#66 10/13/2010 5:02 PM UTC

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On the one hand, it's a pity that people won't have priests/clerics/inquisitors. People got used to them, although they appeared as griffins and angels only in the third game, so this is a less noticeable loss compared to infantry and archers.
Although, a class could be named "cleric" and so on, which is why they removed the unit.

Personally, I think it's been time to remove the priests for a long time, but griffins and angels should also be removed. I personally liked the knight from the first and second parts, a regular human army, without any monsters, but in the third and subsequent parts, humans have already been overused.

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#67 10/13/2010 5:05 PM UTC

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Why did they become less popular? It seems like the opposite – angels and griffins are rarely found in the Haven faction. But there are many purely human armies.

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#68 10/13/2010 5:10 PM UTC

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Ple-Sen

Personally, I think it's long overdue to remove the priests, but griffons and angels should also be removed. I personally liked the knight from parts 1 and 2, a regular human army, without any monsters, but in the third and subsequent parts, humans have already been overshadowed.

I can't imagine how a regular human army can compete with dragons, titans, and other powerful creatures. Maybe griffons are unnecessary; they could be with the elves, as in Heroes 4, but angels should remain with Haven; without them, the faction wouldn't be the same.

Достоинство человека определяется тем, каким путем он идет к цели, а не тем, достигнет ли он ее.;)
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#69 10/13/2010 5:12 PM UTC

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Why did they become less popular? It seems the opposite is true; angels and griffins are rarely found in human factions. But there are many purely human armies.

Well, I like it when humans are just a race that relies on their own strength, discipline, and so on. This is what distinguished them from other races in the game; they didn't have "monsters," but they could still compete with other races (especially in the early game). Introducing "Ankhu" into the faction made the race less distinct, and the worldview shifted from neutral with a tendency towards good (because of paladins) to overly good, which has already ruined elves in many worlds.

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Without them, the race is no longer the same.

It was with them that the race became "no longer the same," starting with the third part.

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#70 10/13/2010 5:18 PM UTC

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Humans are no longer the best.

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#71 10/13/2010 5:20 PM UTC

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Ple-Sen

It was with them that the race became "not the same anymore," that is, starting with the third part.

As for me, angels fit the race well, complementing it, and they are more suitable for the top ranks of Haven's armies than the knights from the 1st and 2nd parts.

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Достоинство человека определяется тем, каким путем он идет к цели, а не тем, достигнет ли он ее.;)
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#72 10/13/2010 5:21 PM UTC

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I like this faction anyway. It's one of my favorites, although I didn't like it much before, because they were too ordinary (even in Heroes of Might and Magic III). But now I look at it differently, and my opinion has changed.

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#73 10/13/2010 5:23 PM UTC

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Arandor

I still like the Humans. One of my favorite factions, although I didn't like them much before, because they were too ordinary (even in Heroes of Might and Magic III). But now I look at it differently, and my opinion has changed.

I didn't like playing as Humans at all before Heroes of Might and Magic V, but now it's my favorite faction. I hope it will be the same in Heroes of Might and Magic VI.

Достоинство человека определяется тем, каким путем он идет к цели, а не тем, достигнет ли он ее.;)
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#74 10/13/2010 6:45 PM UTC

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I still like Humans. It's one of my favorite factions, although I didn't like them much before, because they were too ordinary (even in Heroes 3). But now I look at it differently, and my opinion has changed.

There are two reasons. First, when I was younger, you were more likely to hear "I ONLY PLAY AS HUMANS" than "I don't play as Humans at all." During this period, people are drawn to various monsters, mutants, House creatures, and other beings. Some remain immature and escapist, continuing to obsess over dragons or elves; others grow up and understand the beauty, nobility, and true value of humanity, and either become orthodox "Loldin" players (like you) or simply consider everyone else to be noobs (like me).

Second, in Heroes 3, all the Castles were made more balanced, and now the Knight is just as strong as any other unit, and can even hold his own. The native troops are no longer weaker than the others; they removed the unnecessary peasants, added a good archer, and gave two flying units - a low-level one and a super one, and the seventh-level unit tears everyone apart. It's a perfect example of gameplay. I've seen many players who love the Castle precisely because of its strength.

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#75 10/13/2010 7:23 PM UTC

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No. I just like Knights; I’ve always liked them. But after discovering fantasy, I started paying attention to other factions and kind of forgot about them, and then my curiosity about beasts and creatures faded.
I like humans because of their nobility and other similar qualities, which are mainly found in Paladins. I like good people, just and honest ones. But other factions are also appealing, like the Elves, Mages, the Swamp faction, and parts of the Dungeon faction (NOT from Heroes of Might and Magic V). And each has its own reasons; for example, the Elves have a calm and pleasant atmosphere.

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#108 10/16/2010 7:18 AM UTC

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I mainly love the people because of the griffins and angels. In Adepts, I respect the race as a whole, and in HoMM, I prefer more interesting gavrikovs.
Regarding the drawings: beautiful. Very beautiful, detailed, and intricate. As units for a fantasy strategy game for the masses, they are good, even very good. Such beauty will be eagerly bought by sellers. But I'm wondering, why make such armor for units that die in packs, and how much money goes into one set. High-level units in such beauty - I understand, but again, don't forget about functionality. But as it is... They would even dress a peasant in brocade and velvet.
On the other hand, the game doesn't claim to be accurate or realistic, so it's acceptable.

А, вот почему.

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#109 10/16/2010 7:44 AM UTC

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here, regarding the race, I'll say that we haven't seen many artworks yet, but it's already clear that the style is visible to the naked eye: a regular warrior is for everyday use, an improved one is for special occasions, and there's nothing more to add.
I'm just worried about how this griffin in armor flies; something similar was in Heroes 5, but it bothered me a lot even then.
By the way, what is the real name of "Adepts"?

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They could also dress a peasant in brocade and velvet.

I would like to see...

Достоинство человека определяется тем, каким путем он идет к цели, а не тем, достигнет ли он ее.;)
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