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Posts from Poll regarding changes to the AK regulations.
Now, the question is – are you comparing me and putting me in the same category as CHEATERS??? I really wanted to be rude, but out of respect for you, Pavel, I will remain silent. Please don’t make such comparisons anymore; my nerves aren’t made of steel.
Actually, I meant something else. Sometimes, you surprise me with your ability to see things that aren’t really there.
С истиной где-то рядом...
Лето 2010.
Wlk777
16 years ago
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I don't need such an unban as an example to justify cheaters (who still haven't admitted their guilt and repented, and think they're fooling many people). Either unban me again or don't put on a farce with forgiving cheaters. Vitalik is a cheater. Everyone understands this.
You're wrong, Valentin, you're very wrong!!! He proved his level in at least two tournaments!! One in Moscow, the other in Kyiv, which I personally watched and talked to Vitalik at!!! If a person has acknowledged, so to speak, his weakness in making a mistake, then no one has the right to blame him for the opposite!!! Keep butting your head against the sky, you won't listen to yourself anyway)))
I don't think I'm wrong. I've looked at many save files and listened to many opinions. He definitely cheated. NO ONE dared to vote against that. SEM_56
He proved his level in at least 2 tournaments!!
No one doubted his level. SEM_56
If a person admits their weakness in a mistake, then no one has the right to blame him for the opposite!!!
This is practically a meaningless set of words. SEM_56
Keep butting your head against the sky, no one is listening to you)))
And so is this.
Всем удачи ! И Морали !
Hermit
16 years ago
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Wlk777, no one is putting you in the same category as cheaters, but imagine this situation: someone who voted for your unban is given the "Cheater Mark of Shame" (ЧМЧ), and then, after a long time, there's a poll to decide whether to remove it or not. Would you vote to remove the mark and give them a second chance, or would you vote to keep it?
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
Wlk777, no one is putting you in the same category as cheaters, but imagine this situation: someone who voted for your unban is given the "Cheater Mark of Shame" (ЧМЧ), and then after a long time, there is a poll to remove it or not. Would you vote to remove the mark and give a second chance, or would you vote to keep it?
Good question, Vladimir. And I will give you a clear answer. If I don't have serious reasons to doubt the fairness of assigning the "Cheater Mark of Shame" to this person, then of course I will not vote for it anywhere. Unless he repents and admits his guilt. Maybe then I will reconsider. I hope I have answered your question clearly enough.
Всем удачи ! И Морали !
Hermit
16 years ago
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Yes. That’s enough.
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
I don't think I'm wrong. I've looked at many save files and listened to many opinions. He definitely cheated. NO ONE dared to vote against that.
You'll keep living without your own opinion, judging by the fact that you listen to someone else instead of the person who actually did something wrong))) There's no point in talking to you about anything after that... And you'll keep slandering people; we'll ban you forever, and I won't vote that you'll change, no way!!!!
You will continue to live without your own opinion, judging by the fact that you listen to someone.
Hmm. I've seen saves with a lot of strange things. This is primary; the opinions of others are secondary, but also important.
Added 5 minutes later SEM_56
a person who has sinned)))
You see it and understand it yourself :) SEM_56
There is no point in talking to you about anything after that... And you will slander people, we will ban you forever and I will not vote that you will change, no way!!!!
Where is the slander? Are you confused? There is very serious evidence against Vitalik, based on which respected and competent people – DirtyPlayer, Dubrovin Pavel, Scorp, LeBron, Pit, Mizrael, and dozens of others – voted for Vitalik's cheating. So calm down ;)
Всем удачи ! И Морали !
Pit for LM
16 years ago
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SpiriTT
...I don't want to argue with you! Why?...
Same here. It seems we're not arguing, right?SpiriTT
Show me where it's written? Since it's there, maybe it's worth updating the info a bit? Or at least in ICQ, even half a word. You did read ICQ, Pete? Maybe it was worth writing there first after all?
Artyom, almost everything I wrote in my previous post was on the forum. How was I supposed to know which topics you read and which you don't? I've always answered all your questions, haven't I? And as for what I wrote on Tuesday, it would be good if the other organizers read it too, not just you on ICQ, and in such volume at that... I was last on ICQ on Sunday, only talked to Pavel, trying to understand the meaning of the amendment... Since I finally understood it only on Monday and had no chance to get on ICQ, I didn't respond. It's worth updating the info, and not just there, but I haven't gotten around to it; some more important forum business keeps coming up...
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A lot in our life depends on one's point of view. For one person, the glass is half full, for another, half empty. Kostya, you very often have some kind of half-truth. It's not like you lied, but you didn't tell the truth either. Dirty_Player
Well, this is all very amusing. This is called: "I am the master of my word! I give it when I want, I take it back when I want" :D Why does this "taking back" only happen when the tournament is already in the semi-final stage? :confused: And even if a player who has a ЧМЧ (World Champion Marker) does get a spot in FB, he still won't be able to play anyway, because his participation contradicts the rules. So why beat around the bush? I don't get it...
How do they work with math students? They explain the problem conditions and ask a question. The student must solve the problem and give an answer. If you then change the conditions, the solution and answer will be different. Same here. You gave me the conditions and asked for the answer. I gave it to you. How was I supposed to know that this is a half-truth? Then you changed the conditions. And then you got a different answer. But why do you think the answer should be the same? Well, the stage doesn't seem to bother you much... In my quarterfinal bracket, one player has been itching to play for over two months now, no opponent in sight... It might go all the way to the final... Dirty_Player
And wasn't it the case that the ЧМЧ doesn't forbid anything, only warns? Or has that been cancelled already?
It's unclear. You were an organizer of FB-1. Did the organizer really not read the rules, which clearly state this point? Or have you already forgotten? And forgotten that vitalic was disqualified from the tournament? How then can this be circumvented and a ЧМЧ (World Champion Marker) holder from one of the Qualifiers be inserted? Another half-truth? Or do we want a repeat of the situation with Vigo in that same FB-1, when the players ghosted him? He wisely disappeared from the forum back then, but now he's risen again. And the questions for him are still hanging in the air. It seems we'll have to clarify the situation after all. Dirty_Player
This scandal, for example, surprised me very much. The situation through my eyes: "Some noob found a Heroes site, registered, and started playing online. Not taking the game, the forum, or the people seriously, he started cheating blatantly. And serious people, adult people, respected, who have achieved something in real life, snapped like dogs and started trashing each other, leaving the forum, quitting Heroes, etc." Although it was enough to just be a bit patient and figure things out. It turned out that some passing cheater, who doesn't care about anything, almost destroyed what was built over years. And the blame for everything lies with the inadequate behavior on the part of the so-called "victims" — Loi, invisible etc.
And instead of "etc.", who should be there? LeBron maybe? The third one banned? It's just that in your context, he wouldn't look the way you'd like him to? Hence "etc."? And this is a half-truth too? Dirty_Player
Fortunately, all users have the opportunity to contact the administration. When I summed up the results of the survey on Vitalik, I wrote a letter to the Creator about removing the ЧМЧ. He was surprised by such a strong reaction from players to the ЧМЧ, and he decided to reconsider the mechanism for awarding markers. Unfortunately, he doesn't have enough real time for this... I won't post excerpts from his letters, but he made it clear that he is not satisfied with the situation surrounding the ЧМЧ.
Are you now the one responsible for removing the ЧМЧ? Please, acquaint us with the contents of the Creator's letter. We need to know how to proceed. Otherwise, it's another half-truth...
The survey on vitalic was conducted very cleverly. Again a half-truth in your post — whoever was quick enough voted, and the survey was closed (10 days). Moreover, there were never any answers to the truly serious questions. Interestingly, only three out of 10 participants of FB-3 took part in it. I discovered it when it was already closed.
Well, and vitalic has already "thanked" his most loyal defender in the Portal Cup. Wlk777
...Pit, Dubrovin, Darty, Spirit, Cash and others — come to an agreement among yourselves and don't drag the whole forum into your disputes.
Yep, some nonsense... And it eats up a ton of time...
How do you work with students on math problems? You explain the problem and ask a question. The student must solve the problem and give an answer. If you change the conditions later, the solution and the answer will be different. It's the same here. You gave me the conditions and asked for an answer. I gave it to you. How could I know that it was only half the truth? Later you changed the conditions. And later you got a different answer. But why do you think the answer should be the same? Well, it doesn't seem like the stage matters much to you... In my bracket, one player has been eager to play for over two months, but there's no opponent... So he'll make it to the finals...
Oh well, never mind. I don't need these favors regarding the results. How my tournament goes is my business. It's going, and it's going. Pit for LM
It's unclear. You were the organizer of FB-1. Did the organizer not read the regulations, which clearly state this? Or have you already forgotten? And have you forgotten that vitalic was removed from the tournament? How could this be bypassed and the winner of the Championship be included from one of the Qualifiers? Is this another half-truth?
What half-truth are you talking about? Where did you get the information that I'm pushing someone somewhere? :confused: Initially, the result from my tournament was only to increase interest in the tournament (although I don't think it helped). If the regulations prohibit participation in the tournament for the Championship winner, then they do, but by default, it doesn't have that effect. Pit for LM
Or do we want a repeat of the situation with Vigo in the same FB-1, when the players "dumped" him? He then wisely disappeared from the forum, but now he's back. And the questions about him still hang in the air. It seems that we need to clarify the situation.
But what does Vigo have to do with it? If you need to clarify something, I won't interfere. Or maybe I'm also pushing Vigo into FB? Pit for LM
And instead of "etc.", who should it be? Isn't it LeBron? The third banned player? But in your context, he wouldn't look the way you'd like, would he? That's why "etc."? And is this another half-truth?
But what does LeBron have to do with it? He didn't leave HW, saying that the forum is bad and they're stifling him. "Etc." includes the Hacker who left, Sticky, who was always going back and forth... well, maybe someone else. Pit for LM
Are you now responsible for removing the Championship title? Please inform us of the content of the Creator's letter. We need to know how to live. Otherwise, it's another half-truth...
Why such a strong word, "responsible"? I just tried to bring to an end what I started. I don't keep the letters, and I don't have the habit of posting personal correspondence without the other person's knowledge. Pit for LM
The poll about vitalic was conducted very cleverly. Again, a half-truth in your post, those who were in time voted, and the poll was closed (10 days). Moreover, there were no answers to really serious questions. It's interesting that only three out of 10 participants in FB-3 took part in it. I found it already closed.
Loi closed the topic. The poll, however, remained open. I can't say when it closed, but I don't believe that the 7 remaining participants in FB didn't see it. And why should their opinion be the most important? I wanted to know what people thought. I found out. By the way, since there are still some serious questions, why not open a topic and ask them? And what are these answers for? The purpose of the poll was to give Vitalic a second chance. Notice that I didn't say whether he deserved the Championship title or not. Probably another half-truth? Pit for LM
And vitalic has already "thanked" his most loyal supporter in the Portal Cup.
I don't go to the Portal. I have no idea what you're talking about. Pit for LM
He was last on ICQ on Sunday, only talking to Pavel, trying to understand the meaning of the amendment... Since he finally understood it only on Monday, and there was no way to get on ICQ, he didn't answer.
That's interesting. This poll was opened on Thursday, August 19, 2010. And you were trying to understand the meaning on Sunday. So, Pasha opened this poll himself, without prior discussion?
So, Pasha initiated this poll on his own, without prior discussion?
Kostya, Peter and I agreed that we need to find out what the players of World of Xeen think about the following:
- Should the negative consequences of the Arbitration Committee's decision regarding cheating be mandatory (meaning the Tournament Organizer must remove (or prevent) the cheater from participating in the tournament) for ALL Tournament Organizers on World of Xeen (I mean the online version), or should the negative consequences of the Arbitration Committee's decision regarding cheating be mandatory only for Tournament Organizers that are under the auspices of the Tournament Committee? The problem is that the wording I used in my first post might have made it difficult to understand what I meant. But based on the posts (including those from Tournament Organizers), I see that the meaning was understood.
С истиной где-то рядом...
Лето 2010.
SpiriTT
15 years ago
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So, after all... Is this poll from AK, or from Pasha and Petya, or just from Pasha?