Poll regarding changes to the AK regulations. — Tournament History

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8/19/2010 12:07 PM UTC #17

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Wlk777

This player didn't have a match ban before this tournament. But in the playoff game, he clearly earned it, winning with numerous signs of maphacking and clear evidence of save-file tampering. However, the organizer is showing inflexibility and firmness where it's not really needed. Wouldn't it be frustrating for the opponent to be eliminated from the tournament?

Well, what's the problem? He can appeal to the Arbitration Committee (AK), and they will uphold the technical win. And the maphacker will get a match ban.

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The final decision on awarding a technical win in controversial situations always rests with the AK, not with the organizer.

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8/19/2010 12:30 PM UTC #18

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Hermit

The final decision regarding technical violations in disputed situations always rests with the AC, not with the organizer.

Unfortunately, this is not always the case. That's what the poll is about.

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Registered: 8/31/2008 12:32 PM UTC

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8/19/2010 1:19 PM UTC #19

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1. Against. Let's say I decide to organize something with a claim to creativity, like "Fathers and Sons-4" or "Andra vs Rion" - should I ask the AC for permission to include Vitalik in the tournament? No way. 2. Leave Jed alone. It's quite dubious that he was banned without investigation and then rewarded; just calm down about it.

Wlk777

HermitThe final decision on awarding technical fault in disputed situations always rests with the AC, not the organizer.

Unfortunately, this is not always the case. That's what the poll is about. The final word was, is, and should be with the organizer.

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8/19/2010 1:28 PM UTC #20

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Kash

The final word, both now and in the future, belongs to the organizer.

5-13 for now :)

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8/19/2010 1:33 PM UTC #22

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Kash

Considering that the poll is open, I can give you the results of 44-13 by the end of the day if you want.

The poll is open :)

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8/19/2010 1:37 PM UTC #23

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Oh darn)) I need to visit HeroesWorld more often, I forgot how to open a poll. I blanked out, I admit.

But that doesn't mean I'll give in and won't take a player with a World Champion title into the tournament if I need them there. Sorry, but I don't care about the AC's decisions

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8/19/2010 1:49 PM UTC #24

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2 Cash.

It's simple.

The scheme is straightforward – you organize a tournament on any other resource, create a mirror of it here, and ignore any initiatives from AKQ.

Examples:
/topic/6895/ (Vitalik is participating, by the way)
/topic/6857/
/topic/6687/
/topic/6979/

P.S. Although it would be easier to just say no :). That is, put up a banner at the entrance that says "No AK allowed" and feebly deflect their moralizing. The forum rules do not provide for a ban for this.

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8/19/2010 1:56 PM UTC #25

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Kash

Sorry, but I don't care about the decisions of the Arbitration Committee.

This decision is not made by the Arbitration Committee, but by us. The Arbitration Committee will only ensure that it is implemented if we accept it, which is something I would very much like to avoid. But if we accept it, the participation of any player with a Cheater Mark in any tournament will be excluded. Although this is wrong, in my opinion...

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8/19/2010 1:59 PM UTC #26

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Kash

Sorry, but I don't care about the decisions of the Arbitration Committee.

With that attitude, go join Vik in his community, or any other resource. This isn't a kindergarten. The vast majority of players voted in favor of the Arbitration Committee, and therefore in favor of the mandatory execution of their decisions. The childish outbursts of individual players won't change anything. You'll have to comply, whether you like it or not. Although, I think the issue isn't that you desperately want to include champions in your tournaments, but rather that you want to show off your power and independence (and it's clearly out of place).

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8/19/2010 2:02 PM UTC #27

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Hermit

But if we accept him, the participation of any player with a WMC in any tournament will be excluded.

Volodya, I have an unofficial agreement with AK: they don't touch me, I don't touch them. :)
And in my tournaments (if there are any more) there will be my rules

Vik, I don't want to work around the system and organize tournaments on other resources when they are needed here. I'm essentially investing not in the Heroes community as a whole, but in HeroesWorld. In short, everything will be fine :)

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8/19/2010 2:23 PM UTC #28

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Wlk777

You'll have to comply, there's no other way.

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Kash

Volodya, I have an unspoken agreement with the AK: they don't bother me, and I don't bother them. :)
And in my tournaments (if there are any), there will be my rules.

The game rules are, of course, yours. But there is no such unspoken agreement. Unspoken agreements exist with our officials :), but on the forum, the rules are the same for everyone. And in your tournaments, the main judicial body is the AK.

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Whatever she says, that's how it will be.

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8/19/2010 2:30 PM UTC #29

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Don't mistake wishful thinking for reality.
The organizer runs the tournament based on the recommendations of the Tournament Committee (I have a link somewhere). They create the rules, ensure they are followed, record the technical results if necessary, conclude the tournament, and submit a request to the admin for awarding prizes. They can appeal to the Tournament Committee for help in resolving a controversial situation, just like any other user.
The Tournament Committee can offer the organizer some recommendations during the tournament, but they have no right to influence or change their decisions. And please stop complaining about this; accept it as an axiom.

Hermit, don't get upset.
"Informal" - meaning a "silent" agreement, without words.
Am I bothering them? No. Are they bothering me? No. So, we have an understanding.

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8/19/2010 2:35 PM UTC #30

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A joke on the topic: A man approaches a pie vendor and asks to buy a pie on credit. The vendor replies: "I have an unspoken agreement with the bank – they don't sell pies, and I don't issue loans." :D

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8/19/2010 3:04 PM UTC #31

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Kash

The final word should always be with the organizer, and it always has been and always will be.

As an organizer, I support this! I'd rather make the decision myself (even if it's not the right one) in my tournament than have someone else do it for me!

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8/19/2010 3:22 PM UTC #32

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Kash

"Tacit" - that is, a "silent" agreement, without words, as it were.
Do I touch them? No. Do they touch me? No either. That's how we came to an agreement.

But do they even know that they have an agreement? Maybe they don't know that they have, in fact, agreed on something... :D :D :D

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The final word belongs to the AK!!! This is what all the organizers write in the Tournaments.

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Kash

AK has the right to give the organizer some recommendations during the tournament, but AK has no right to influence his decisions or change them.

Well, they certainly don't have the right to influence, but they do have the right to make decisions instead of him.

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The organizer will make his decision, AK will make its own. But in the end, it will be as AK decides.

Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!