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Even with a choice of 5 templates, do more than 50% of games still end up on the Castle map? It's time to learn something new! P.S. I'm tired of slow maps!
I have an idea to create a randomizer similar to the one in the WoG chat, where you can place 5-6 templates, because choosing templates doesn't really work.
For me, for example, Panic and Balance are unplayable templates, so I will definitely avoid them and end up on the universally loved and overused Castle map in 95% of cases.
Also, an interesting format for me would be to replace the choice of starting maps with a randomizer with trading + a random hero start.
This way, we get almost complete randomness, but thanks to trading, it will be reasonably balanced, which should definitely make the game more interesting.

I will only play under these conditions; otherwise, it's no longer interesting.

P.S. By the way, I really like slow maps; the only thing I don't like about the RP -4 rules is the mandatory replacement of them.

"Это нам идеально подходит!" [Новосибирск, 2013]
"Красавчик! Если только не читер.." [Киев, 2014]
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There is no balance among the templates offered.
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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it's impossible, it can only be done with Dimension Door/Fly, what kind of player was that
Well yes, using magic!!!
The player - nickname SOLO...
And 30 cerberi on 112 in TE, that is an unreal freebie!!!
Ушел с героев, пока пряники)
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I'm always for SoD! If the opponent agrees to discuss it, I'll suggest WT; it's a real time-saver and more convenient.
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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I’ve been thinking about making a randomizer similar to the one in the BT chat, where you put 5-6 templates, because crossing out templates doesn’t justify itself.

For me, for example, Panic and Balance are unplayable templates, so I’ll definitely cross them out and 95% of the time end up on the everyone’s favorite and overplayed SMK.
Balance isn’t there, so you can cross out SMK and Panic and end up on a more or less decent template.

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And 30 Cerberi on 112 in TE, that’s an unreal freebie!!!
A much smaller freebie than 160 Troglodytes for Stronghold from the start...

Besides, if there were 30, Inferno would be, if not the strongest town, then close to it.

But in reality, unfortunately, you get about 17-18 little fellows. Only more if you got lucky with treasure chests or pulled a native hero out of prison.
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Re: WT... how does it happen that with a draft of 5 templates, more than 50% of games still end up on sm-ka? It's time to learn something new! P.S. I'm sick of slow roads!
The answer is simple, sm-ka is not the worst template. Despite the draft of templates, many still like it. People sometimes offer me to play on sm-ka without a draft. What I like about sm-ka:
1. Few towns, only 6. If my troops are stronger, the opponent won't be flying around me for long.
2. Respawn always matches the castle.
3. Most players have played the majority of their games on sm-ka.

As for the version of Heroes, I'd like TE-light or WT. There were so many SOD supporters who switched to TE-light, WT. Let the host suggest the settings. I want no experience, tax, bank, classes, and with CHESS CLOCKS with time in battles.
Castles and templates are better drafted. Once, Korzh and I started playing Tower vs Tower from the randomizer. Maybe some people like it that way, but I don't. With a draft, I can cross out templates I don't like, which is why I don't like the randomizer.
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I'm for Team Battles. I don't quite understand people who like to take breaks because of 1 stack, the lack of a weapon, and other "delights" of Sod. But if it's Team Battles, the settings don't matter, as long as there isn't too much... well, moralizing. LeBron's idea with a randomizer for castles is good; I support it. As a last resort, at least make it a light version and give 3 stacks at the start. And it would be nice to replace Panic with something more playable; I'm tired of using it.
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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P.S. By the way, I really enjoy slow roads; the only thing I don't like about the RP-4 rules is the mandatory replacement of them.

On Jebus and Mininostalgia, the rest with slow roads is probably reasonable, but the choice of road type in WT or rest with slow roads in SoD should be made by agreement.

For example, on SMK, slow roads are one of the factors that allow you to avoid a rest due to an encounter.

And the balance is a very good and popular template; why was it removed?
Without the balance, you can delete it.
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Please remove from the list – lack of time.
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Yeah right, using magic!!!
Player - nick SOLO...
And 30 Cerberi on 112 in TE is an unreal giveaway!!!
The fact that there are rules different from the ones you're used to playing by doesn't mean anything yet. By the rule of collecting artifacts using DD and fly, one could even play on SoD, so it's not worth blaming the game version.
As for 30 Cerberi, you've got me laughing. From the start: Fiona + second hero + dwellings = 18 units (maximum). How could it happen that you have 30 Cerberi on 112:
1) there are a couple of caches or a couple of heroes from prisons (possible in any version)
2) you didn't actually install TE(VT), but SoD again :D or maybe VOG :cool:
3) you simply lied about the Cerberi being a staunch opponent of TE
4) a severe glitch with heroes on SEM_56's computer :smile42:

options 2-3 are more likely because words were spoken with clear meaning that 2 native heroes arrived at the tavern with armies, which does not happen in TE(VT).
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Caught me, damn, it was 20, not 30...
And damn, taking an object or artifact from under guard without breaking it—sorry, but that's just total noobness!!!
As for the 3rd option: TE was come up with by someone who hasn't learned how to play SoD!!!
Ушел с героев, пока пряники)
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made me laugh..
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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The balance is actually quite good, and it's a popular map. Why was it removed?
Without balance, just remove it.
Do you think that if it were on the list, someone would let you play it? :)

Everyone knows about your fondness for it, and also about your result in the Balance championship.
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Updated the table. There were two entries each for numbers 68, 91, and 103. Thanks, Redwhait. Regarding the versions, we won't find any compromises. The different version ideas seem more like nonsense. So, here's who voted: For SoD (Shades of Darkness): Dubrovin Pavel, zloy romantik, Gomunguls, RomarioGrom, Captain, numOne, Kash, Erdem, Pradromalo, SEM_56, Vigo. Against SoD: Wicc, Catch, Piterius, Deriel_Linch, SpiriTT, Alessandro, Satir. I'll also think about the templates. There's a suggestion to remove Panic and CM (Chaos Magic) and add Spider, something like Anarchy, or something else instead. We can discuss this. We can also discuss the option of a single RMG (Random Map Generator) with several templates. But I'm not sure how to configure the map so that it turns out with or without computers, depending on the template. :confused: I'll update the rules in a couple of hours.
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HE was invented by someone who didn't learn how to play SOD!!!
I'm not sure about "invented," I didn't see that moment. But now the trend is that those who haven't learned to play SOD are the ones defending it.

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We can also discuss the option of a single rmg with several templates. But I don't know how to configure the map so that it turns out with computers or without, depending on the template. :confused:
You can combine templates with the same generation parameters (size and number of computers). For example, CM and Balance. Or MM6 and HM12.
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