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Posts from [ANNOUNCEMENT] Heroes 3: World Tournament - an add-on for tournament games.
I know! But I've always disliked this optionality...
Well, it can be disabled by agreement. If you both agree, then please do so. If not, then you play with it.
Lider1
16 years ago
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I am very disappointed that in battle with the OPPONENT, I end up at a disadvantage, even though I possess this artifact. And instead of removing the so-called "natural resistance" from everyone, it removes it from my own units, while the opponent remains invulnerable.
As for Masslow in Utopia, I'm all for it.
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By the way, regarding the red orb, I had an idea: instead of simply banning it, why not reduce the enemy's magic damage by, for example, 50%?
I am very sorry that in the battle with the OPPONENT, I end up with a negative result.
There are many such artifacts. Spirit of Despair, Hourglass, Handcuffs, Red Orb... Even the Might of the Dragon Father! It all depends on the situation. And whether to turn the situation into a plus or a minus is up to you to decide before the battle or skipping a turn! Lider1
By the way, regarding the red orb, I had an idea: instead of simply banning it, reduce, for example, 50% of the enemy's magic damage.
Super!!! But not on the enemy, but generally on the battlefield.
There are many such artifacts. Spirit of Despair, Hourglass of the Ages, Shackles, Red Orb... even the Might of the Dragon Father! It all depends on the situation. And whether you turn the situation to your advantage or disadvantage is up to you before the battle or when skipping a turn!
You don't understand me, and you haven't convinced me.
Spirit of Despair, Hourglass of the Ages, Shackles – note that these affect both opponents. Might of the Dragon Father, yes, it can indeed be disadvantageous for you.
But the Red Orb is different.
Imagine this situation: the opponent has 2 Phoenixes + 5 units of Efreet, you have 20 Phoenixes, about 70 units of Viv, 10+ Angels, and other creatures. But on top of all that, you have this Red Orb. The calculation is that if the opponent attacks you (and they still have about thirty spells left) and casts that damn Armageddon, they will destroy a good part of your army, but they will also die. But having the Red Orb, it's better not to equip it, so as not to harm your own Phoenixes, because it's useless, it only does harm. So, I ask, what is the point of this?
No one is forcing you to equip it in this situation; just take it off. But there are also many other situations where, on the contrary, the black orb is needed, so you need to think about whether it is needed or not.
You named the only situation where this artifact is unfavorable for you. You could say the same about any artifact. Imagine this situation:
You put on the Red Balloon, and the enemy attacked with an Alliance and no mana. Or better yet, with the Armor of the Damned. Normal?
P.S.: You're starting to act like the people who ban Dragon Fly Hives and Preserves. :D Why not just accept this mechanic as it is and play taking it into account? :confused:
By the way, no one changed the functionality of the black orb; it is original. Its functionality in phizmig is described quite well:
Sphere (medal) of Vulnerability. Features of its use in battle Based on materials from huMMer (http://gdb.diaspora.ru/) Provided by Wight As is known, HoMM III has a number of monsters that are not subject to the action of certain spells or types of magic. These monsters, as well as their properties, are well known, although some nuances are learned only empirically, since far from everything is indicated in the game manual and official NWC information. But that's only half the trouble. Real confusion begins when the "Orb of Vulnerability" artifact appears on the scene, which, as stated in the description, "removes the natural immunity of all monsters on the battlefield." This definition completely misleads the user.
"Natural Magic Resistance is a monster's permanent ""immunity"" to certain spells or types (or schools) of magic. This means that under normal conditions, neither side (neither the army leader, nor his opponent, nor monsters capable of casting spells) can cast them on this monster. Not to be confused with the ability to reflect hostile magical attacks with a certain probability* (dwarves, unicorns (aura), crystal dragons), the ability of golems to reflect part of the damage dealt by strike spells, as well as the ability of Magic Dragons to reflect a spell onto an enemy unit (Magic Mirror)
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Below is a summary table (including AB and SOD monsters) by castle type and for neutral monsters
City Monster Immune to the following spells Tower / Tower stone/obsidian gargolie Resurrect, Sacrifice stone/iron golem Mind-affecting spells, Resurrect, Sacrifice, Fear Giants/Titans Mind-affecting Spells Rampart / Rampart Green Dragons All level 1-3 spells Gold Dragons All level 1-4 spells Dungeon / Dungeon Troglodytes/Infernal Troglodytes Blind Red Dragons All level 1-3 spells Black Dragons All spells Inferno / Inferno Efreet/Efreet Sultan All Fire Magic spells** Necropolis / Necropolis All monsters Bless, Curse, Sacrifice, Mind-affecting spells, Fear Conflux / Conflux Firebirds/Phoenixes All Fire Magic spells Elementals (all) Mind-affecting spells, resurrect, sacrifice, Fear Additional immunity of various Elementals Air/Strom Elementals Meteor Shower Water/Ice Elementals Strike spells of water magic (Ice Bolt, Frost Ring) Fire/Energy Elementals All Fire Magic spells Earth Elementals Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, Armageddon Magma Elementals Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, Armageddon Magic Elementals All spells Castle / Castle There are no monsters with magic immunity in these castles Stronghold / Stronghold Fortress / Fortress Neutrals Azure Dragons All level 1-3 spells, Fear Mummies Bless, Curse, Sacrifice, Mind-affecting spells, Fear Gold/Diamond Golems Same as Tower golems
* - The Orb of Vulnerability completely neutralizes the effect of the secondary skill "Magic Resistance" in all its manifestations - all artifacts that increase resistance do not work, and Torgrim's specialization (Magic Resistance) also does not work. ** - all monsters immune to fire magic spells also take no damage from Fire Shield (whether cast on an attacking enemy unit or from Efreet Sultans). However, monsters invulnerable to level 4 spells (Black, Gold dragons and Magic Elementals) are affected by this spell.
Naturally, no one except the undead is subject to the Destroy Undead and Animate Dead spells, and the undead are not subject to Death Ripple and Resurrect. Golems, Elementals, Necromancer and Mummies are not subject to "fear" before Azure Dragons.
Effect of the "Orb of Vulnerability" artifact
First, let's start with the fact that the Orb acts differently for its owner and the opponent: the owner can cast previously non-working spells on both their own and enemy troops. Their opponent also gains the ability to cast previously non-working spells, but only on enemy units. Example: red has the artifact and attacks blue. Blue will be able to cast blindness on the opponent's titans, but will not be able to revive (bless, etc.) his own black dragons. This same principle applies to spells cast on one's own troops by monsters (Archangel, Genie, Ogre Magi, Enchanters, etc.) - only for the carrier do they start working where they didn't before.
Thus, the artifact carrier can equally successfully send previously non-working spells to both their own troops and enemy troops. Their enemy - only to the opponent's troops. In NWC's description, this is not mentioned even remotely.. In general, in my opinion, this is quite strange: for example, Recanter's Cloak and Orb of Inhibition act equally on ALL sides - which is exactly what is written. True, by analogy, say, Sphere of Permanence acts: the Dispel spell does not work only on your troops.
But that's not the main thing. From the definition of this artifact, it may seem that in its presence, ANY spells can be cast on ANY monsters. Far from it! Monsters partially retain immunity to some spells or their groups. I will try to provide a summary table again and show what happens when using this artifact. In the second column, for clarity, information from the first table is repeated, and in the third column, the spells are indicated to which a particular monster remained immune even in the presence of the Orb. A dash in this column means that the artifact actually removed all immunity of this monster and allows casting all spells on it. In the table, naturally, obvious things were not taken into account - the impossibility of casting Death Ripple and Resurrect on the undead, and the impossibility of casting Destroy Undead and Animate Dead on everyone else.
Monster Immunity Immunity with orb
Gargolies Resurrect, Sacrifice Resurrect, Sacrifice Golems (all, including neutrals) Mind-affecting spells, Resurrect, Sacrifice Mirth, Sorrow, Resurrect, Sacrifice, Fear Giants/Titans Mind-affecting Spells - Green Dragons All level 1-3 spells - Gold Dragons All level 1-4 spells - Troglodytes/Infernal Troglodytes Blind Blind Red Dragons All level 1-3 spells - Black Dragons All spells - Efreet/Efreet Sultan All Fire Magic spells - Undead (including Mummies) Bless, Curse, Sacrifice, Mind-affecting spells Bless, Curse, Sacrifice, Mirth, Sorrow, Fear Elementals (all) Resurrect, Sacrifice, Mind-affecting spells Resurrect, Sacrifice, Mirth, Sorrow, Fear Phoenix All Fire Magic spells - Azure Dragons All level 1-3 spells - Additional immunity of various elementals Air/Storm Elementals Meteor Shower -*** Water/Ice Elementals Ice Bolt, Frost Ring - Fire/Energy Elementals All Fire Magic spells - Earth Elementals Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning - Magma Elementals Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, Armageddon - Magic Elementals All spells -
*** - all elementals remain immune to Mirth, Sorrow, Resurrect and Sacrifice spells. A dash means that various classes of elementals lose their additional immunity to other spells.
Some nuances of the Orb of Vulnerability's action
1. Cure and Dispel: Dispel is the first of two spells that does not fit into the "Carrier - on all, enemy - only on others" scheme. Thus, if the artifact carrier cast Mass Slow on an enemy who has, say, black dragons, magic elementals and "normal" monsters, then the enemy, casting Dispel, removes Mass Slow from all their troops, meaning they still cast a spell on such of their own troops that in a normal situation they could not. Attention! Cure does NOT work this way, and in our example Mass Slow would be removed only from those monsters in the enemy army on which this spell can be cast. 2. Armageddon. If this spell is cast by the artifact carrier, it affects everyone. If by their opponent - then it affects all enemies and only those of their own troops that it would affect without the Orb. 3. Fireball, Frost Ring, Inferno, Meteor Shower - all these spells work as follows: if they are cast by the artifact carrier, and their monster, who normally has immunity to them, falls into the hit zone, then he is affected. If cast by the enemy - on the contrary, the immunity of their troops to such spells is fully preserved. 4. Chain Lightning. Everything - exactly the opposite! If the "tail" of a Chain Lightning cast by an enemy can reach their, say, Magic Elementals, then it will successfully affect them. This is the second spell that does not fit into the artifact's same working scheme. 5. Fire Shield. The Orb has no effect on the action of Fire Shield in terms of dealing damage. That is, phoenixes, ifreets and fire elementals receive no damage from Fire Shield (either as a spell or from Efreet Sultans), both with and without the orb. In terms of casting Fire Shield, it differs in nothing from other Fire magic spells - that is, monsters on whom it could not be cast become available for casting in the presence of the artifact.
Changes in monster abilities
Dragon Flies - Gain the ability to cast Dispel and Weakness on all enemies previously immune to these spells. By the way, the presence of a Sphere of Permanence makes the Carrier's troops also invulnerable to Dispel from Dragon Flies. Mummies, Black/Dread Knights - Gain the ability to cast Curse on all enemies previously immune to this spell, except, of course, the undead. Fairy Dragons - Gain the ability to cast all combat spells on all enemy monsters. In the case where the spell is Chain Lightning, Meteor Shower, Fireball, Inferno, Frost Ring, their operation features are the same as if they were cast by heroes.
I created a thread for collecting, organizing, and fixing bugs.
Here is a list of bugs:
http://www.heroeswt.net/forum//topic/122/
You can send your bug reports there or leave them here.
SpiriTT
16 years ago
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Here's the question. Yesterday, I played WT with Redwhait; my version is 0.41. The tavern bug should be fixed in this version, and before that, I played twice with Wlk777 and earlier with Satyr (on version 0.41) – there were no problems. But now, again, I can't access the tavern view; it immediately kicks me out of the chat and, consequently, out of the game. What could be the reason?
reinstall the game from scratch: delete the previous version (don't forget to back up your saves if you need them), download the full version, and reinstall it on SOD or TE.
There's no way that something that used to work is now not working.
The reason for the error: there's a file in the Data folder called H3bitmap.lod - this is where new game resources are packed. The WOG programmer wrote a program called simplelod.exe, which had a bug and corrupted the file in the archive on some versions of SOD. This file is the frame for the orange player in the tavern. The error occurred with 100% consistency, whether in single-player or online. As soon as the frame for the orange player was supposed to be displayed in the tavern, the game would crash. It seems you were playing with Satyr and Warlock, and the 2-player skirmish doesn't have an orange player in the tavern.
In short, reinstall the game, and everything will be fine.
Lider1
16 years ago
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WT same-old issues with TE balance
Everyone says SoD is IMBalanced. Let's see what's in WT.
I've repeatedly heard that in SoD, the logistics specialists—Kyrre, Gunnar, Dessa—are very cheaty; like it's practically impossible to beat them, maybe only with Shackles of War, otherwise you just take a hit-pay off and run further with unreal moves.
BUT
1. Let's look at WT - speed class = scouting + navigation = 600 move points per day = Kyrre's bonus at level 20 in SoD with max acceleration!! but here is the blunder - in WT, Kyrre and other logistics specialists are completely castrated; whether it's level 20 or 50, you only get 100 additional move points. Balance?
Your Kiryukha will run only 100 moves further than any Moner or Pir regardless of level, while any horse that learned navigation+scouting will be blasting 600 moves a day!
IS THIS BALANCE?
2. Swamp. Broh.
Not only is this man a specialist in hives (which means 25% to their health, +1 to growth), (consider how as a specialist it affects the random map where there are tons of these very hives), but he also starts with armor + scouting (a few steps toward navigation and +600 moves). This is balance!
Another swamp lol, on top of all these "small" bonuses - cows that can be upgraded for free!
Just same-old. Mega-overpowered.
3. Inferno. Even though I don't like this race. But in skilled hands (and even not very skilled ones), slicing demons from 113 is nonsense IMO, slicing 60 demons on the first one. The guys overdid it trying to lift this race out of the gutter.
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4. Training. Well, they made a total mess instead of a skill. Not only does it level up insanely fast, but now you can even forget it later - that's just too much!
5. red orb + cloak of adjustment. They simply cut them from the game, yeah, beautiful. Thereby increasing the probability of getting the same artifacts; now you just blindly build into magic without fearing anything, the worst thing you'll get is a resist :D
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That's all for now, I'll add more later
FireToSky
16 years ago
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What a mess, and what's the imbalance? First, you need to build a scout class and gather a large army! Sure, Brog is a great late-game hero. But regarding demons and other units, Inferno is one of the weakest factions in the game, so they decided to balance it somehow.
Absolute balance will never exist; you can only strive to achieve it!
I think that, among all the restrictions and additions, only the Tower suffered.
Lider1
16 years ago
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Read carefully – it was taken away from the logistics because it’s a terrible cheat – and distributed to everyone as speed, because that’s not a cheat at all.
Yes, gathering reconnaissance with navigation is very difficult in general, and especially with Brokh :D
FireToSky
First, you need to gather the reconnaissance class + navigation!
Yes, but you also need to level up Kiryu to level 20 :rolleyes:
Catch
16 years ago
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Speedy is actually scouting and pathfinding :) Scouting and navigation are the explorer :) But that's not important. What is important is that in SoD there are only three "cheater" heroes, while in VT you can make 144 of them :) With proper luck, of course. And generally, who's stopping anyone from playing without classes. Though honestly, the swamp is a mega-Castle in VT. But overall, the balance there is much better than in SoD.
