Forum — Tournament Committee

Catch

6/3/2010 2:53 PM UTC

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I have the impression that I'm not writing in Russian correctly, or that some people don't have Russian as their native language. Let me clarify. In offline mode, participation equals completion. I won't even comment on anything else. If someone doesn't know how to read, I can only advise them not to judge others based on themselves.

Школа начального мастерства по Вторым Героям.

http://offtop.ru/heroes2school/

bRitvo4kA

6/3/2010 3:02 PM UTC

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Perhaps Russian isn't my native language, but that's irrelevant because I understand you perfectly and what you're getting at.

A tournament is considered complete when the organizer announces the results and awards the winners. If the tournament isn't finished, it's de facto considered not to have taken place.

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Catch

6/3/2010 3:05 PM UTC

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I’m tired; this person is clearly out of their mind. At first, it was amusing, but when they repeat the same thing over and over again… no… :)\n\nHere's the link:\n/topic/4187/\n\nPlease calm down, you restless ones :)

Школа начального мастерства по Вторым Героям.

http://offtop.ru/heroes2school/

bRitvo4kA

6/3/2010 3:13 PM UTC

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You should start with links (i.e., provide facts), not provoke. :smile38:

The question arose for the following reason. When I quickly reviewed your posts on the forum about Heroes of Might and Magic III, I found several posts in the topic TOURNAMENT HMM III OFF "Race for the Leader". In the last post, it says that the tournament has been suspended, and in the table, I didn't see you listed first.

How did you get into the ranking table that you linked? Did I miss something? Or did you get points for an unfinished game? :D

I wonder, does the AK handle the review of controversial situations in off-line tournaments? :confused:

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Catch

6/3/2010 3:24 PM UTC

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bRitvo4kA

Catch, don't you understand that you're not liked here?

Are you watching "Interns"? ;) Did you see how Bykov reacts when his students get upset? ;) When they yell about how much they hate him, etc. ;) Well, in this regard, I am completely identical to him :) The reaction of such characters amuses me a lot and brings me a lot of positive emotions ;) It doesn't diminish me in any way, but they (the characters) drive themselves to a frenzy ;)
And, by the way, you shouldn't generalize. I have many friends on the World forums, and unlike some short-sighted people, they know that I have a very good attitude towards the World and that I put a lot of effort into its development at one time, so don't talk to me about love ;)
Well, alright, I'll tell you a couple more things. What I write here on HW is nothing compared to what I sometimes write on the Portal in the magistrate (a closed section for moderators). I have always been used to expressing my opinion, regardless of whether anyone likes it or not. And although Gorbik (the Portal admin) has been very angry with me many times (very angry), after I resigned from my moderator duties and powers in November last year, he left me all the rights of a moderator and access to the magistrate, because he believes that despite all the disagreements, sometimes it is worth looking at problems from different angles, and not yelling like a zombified crowd in unison: thank you, Comrade Stalin, for our happy childhood :)

Школа начального мастерства по Вторым Героям.

http://offtop.ru/heroes2school/

RAPER

6/3/2010 3:55 PM UTC

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Have you all gone mad at the same time? Vic, are you alright?
This guy is practically constantly on the verge of a permanent ban for any infraction. I don't see any qualities in him that would be useful for the AC.
Occasional outbursts and fits of aggression.
At least you could say that he is impartial, but even that isn't true. In short, I don't understand those who vote for him.

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In other words, the AC elections don't concern you. Sleep well, comrade.

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играю на уровне AI !!:smile32: ;)

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scorp

6/3/2010 3:56 PM UTC

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Wicc

It's not us who need to be observing, but them showing themselves.

Ideally, the Arbitration Committee should consist of those who have judged a couple of tournaments without scandals, regardless of whether it's an online or offline club. That is, there should be some confidence that the person understands what it means to be a judge and how to behave in that role.

The previous composition of the Arbitration Committee clearly demonstrated a lack of understanding of these things, hence the turmoil.

Once again, the punishment was for the deed, not for swimming in the river.

And regarding understanding of judging, does a couple of flawed moments in your organizational judging/and as a spectator also having flaws/qualify you for the Arbitration Committee? - just saying, I'm tired of this nonsense.

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Catch

6/3/2010 4:10 PM UTC

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bRitvo4kA

You should start with providing links and facts, not with provoking.

Sorry, I didn't notice right away that you edited your post. I can remove my post with the quote if you want.
Regarding this. I know how to read. After many years of working in the real world, I got used to studying every single letter, not just words, sentences, or paragraphs. If I didn't have the right to participate in the voting, I wouldn't have written anything there. The VCL and you decided to make a mountain out of a molehill. Just a piece of advice for the future: before you try to do something, you need to prepare a little. It's not difficult to find the results of official tournaments for Heroes of Might and Magic 3 over the years. I wasn't obliged to respond to your posts with links and beat my chest, claiming how great I am. But when the situation became almost critical, I got a little worried about your condition and decided that you should calm down a bit.
By the way, didn't anyone find it strange that I supported Loi's option during the voting? If it's so important for me to vote in the AK elections, wouldn't I vote for a point that wouldn't give me the right to vote? ;)
And of course, it was amusing that two people who I voted against in the elections spoke out against my participation in the voting. It's funny, really

Школа начального мастерства по Вторым Героям.

http://offtop.ru/heroes2school/

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Wicc

6/3/2010 4:17 PM UTC

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scorp

Once again, the punishment was for the deed, not for swimming in the river.

Now, it doesn't really matter what the punishment was for or how severe it was. If a fight breaks out on the field, the judge is to blame, regardless of how correct his decision was. The AK (Arbitration Committee) failed to defuse the passions surrounding its decision, and as a result, some players left the Hive, and some opposed the AK (which is not right in itself).

This is the main thing I blame the previous AK for. The verdict and the measure of restraint too, but these are minor issues compared to the main one.

I hope you don't doubt that, if I were on the AK, I could have given Alex and Cobra a Champion of Champions title, and everything would have been quiet and calm. Well, they might have grumbled a bit in the VT (Voice Team) chat and in ICQ, and that would be it.

Therefore, the collective recusal (regardless of the reasons) is the most correct decision. It coincided with problems in real life - so much the better, there is an explanation for the supporters. Here, you just need to relieve the AK's image of the Alex case.

In fact, Dubrovin is essentially the last of the Mohicans who tarnished his reputation with this case, and perhaps the one who bears the most responsibility for it (the second Pit, the rest less). If he leaves, the AK's reputation will be free from the mistakes of youth, and it will be possible to start with a credit of trust, including from the opposition (if such a concept as opposition even exists).

But if he doesn't leave, the shadow of Alex's father will continue to hang over the newly elected AK, especially if Dubrovin will be there in the role of chairman or spokesperson or some other prominent position (and he will try). Do you think it's a good idea to keep so many worthy people in opposition to the AK?

And regarding understanding of judging, a couple of blunders in your organizational judging/and as a spectator, you also have blunders/fits the criteria for you to join the AK? - just saying, I'm tired of this nonsense.

I didn't grasp the phrase, please formulate the thought more specifically.

Is this in the sense of "you're not without sin yourself"? I won't argue, there have been times...

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scorp

6/3/2010 4:41 PM UTC

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Wicc

By now, I don't really care what the punishment was or how it was carried out. If a fight breaks out on the field, the judge is to blame, regardless of whether their decision was correct. The AC failed to defuse the passions surrounding its decision, and as a result, some players left the Hive, and some opposed the AC (which is not right in itself).

This is the main thing I blame the previous AC for. The verdict and the measure of punishment are also important, but these are minor issues compared to the main one.

I just wanted to say that you can write whenever you want, but it turns out that you still disagree with everything, even with the punishment, and you yourself could have given the Champion of Champions award. Now, at least you've said what you're most unhappy about regarding that decision - I almost agree with that, if only the punishment had been milder, but unfortunately, it didn't come from us, and there will always be those who are upset about a harsh punishment!

Wicc

I hope you don't doubt that, if I were on the AC, I could have given Alex and Cobra the Champion of Champions award, and everything would have been quiet and peaceful. Well, they might have grumbled a little in the VT chat and on ICQ, and that would have been it.

But here I doubt it, not just doubt it, but I don't believe it - I'll translate this into an example: if you were a judicial body, give me the Champion of Champions award and let's see my reaction...

P.S. The question about mistakes is withdrawn )) ;)

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bRitvo4kA

6/3/2010 4:51 PM UTC

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FireToSky

If we're going into analysis... Then imho, the strength of towns also varies depending on the template: for example, on Jebus Cross, Fortress/Castle is a must-see, while the necro imba is one of the weakest. On 8mm6(a), towns like Rampart gain a lot of strength (the highest chance of Dimension Door in the guild). I understand that we're talking about the SM.
On SM, strength also varies depending on preferences, for example, with Razor, Citadel is in 1st place, imho:) And with Pit, Conflux. Stinger manages to turn everything around with Tower!
But my personal opinion on strength is this: Fortress is by no means in the middle, because in drawn-out games, you can't pierce Tazar, while Griffin Conservatories/Dragon Utopias with mega-armor are quite easy to pierce
SM:
1. Necro
2-5 Conflux, Dungeon, Rampart, Fortress
6-7 Citadel, Castle
8-9 Inferno, Tower,

I am surprised by those people who consider Necro the strongest town.
It undoubtedly dominates on templates with a large number of low-level neutrals (mininostalgia) or the absence of relics (e.g., balance, panic)

On the contrary, on Jebus Cross, half a thousand skeletons gathered in 2 weeks won't play a special role; on the contrary, they will only get in the way during the early game.

On the popular SM, Necro is very dependent on the layout. If there aren't small Griffin Conservatories or hives nearby in the debut, it's very difficult not to lose skeleton mass in battles, especially when using Necro chains.

The most effective town on SM, I would call Rampart. This town has many advantages:
1. Cheapness of Pegasi and Unicorns
2. Best piercing power
3. Good early-game potential - Grand Pegasi, which are also great for breaking ranged blocks
4. No-movement-penalty terrain, allowing quick movement of the entire army in Shadow of Death.
5. Good chance of Stables
6. Availability of good cannon fodder - Dendroids, Dwarves, and Centaurs for taking Griffin Conservatories and Dragon Utopias
Also, great vulnerability to a rush from Sylvan, Castle, Tower, and the little Citadel, which initially have an advantage in ranged combat.

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Lider1

6/3/2010 4:53 PM UTC

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Wicc

In essence, Dubrovin is the last of the Mohicans who tarnished his reputation with this matter... and perhaps he bears the greatest responsibility for it.

and so on, la-la-la

Think about what is written

And Wicc is still the same, still trying to change the Heroes world! :D

Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того

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Wicc

6/3/2010 5:16 PM UTC

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I just wanted to say that you can do it whenever you want, but it turns out you still disagree with everything, even with the punishment, and you yourself could have awarded the "Champion of Champions" title.

Don't confuse "could" and "would." These are different things. I may be able to adjust my mindset to defend different points of view, but I still have my own.

scorp

I almost agree with this, if the punishment were milder, but unfortunately, it didn't come from us, and there will always be those who are outraged by a harsh punishment!

The point is not whether it's mild or harsh. The point is how it's presented to the public.

For many, the AK brand is not a symbol of infallibility (as Dubrovin tries to portray it); one must defend one's point of view in an open debate. AK avoided this debate, and that is one of the reasons for such a reaction.

But I doubt that, I don't just doubt it, I don't believe it - let's say you were a judicial body, and you gave me the "Champion of Champions" title, and let's see my reaction...

But don't apply it to yourself :). Each such situation is unique and requires an individual approach.

Do you really think that the way AK chose to present the decision (announce the verdict and lock themselves in their office, brushing off with standard phrases) couldn't be fundamentally improved?

As someone who is deeply involved in this matter, I can say that a perfectly achievable result for AK would be: the public loudly demands a ban for Alex and Cobra, the objections of a small group of dissatisfied people are drowned out in this wave, organized resistance either does not exist or quickly fades away under the influence of the arguments of the prosecution, and AK's reputation soars instead of hitting rock bottom, etc.

Whether you believe it or not is your right. It's better to believe it and try to figure out how it could have been done. If you figure it out, you will grow a lot. A small hint: reread all the materials on Vitalik's case; it was simpler, but the principles are similar.

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Lider1

And Vic is still the same, still trying to change the Heroes world! :D

Well, you could also say that I'm not succeeding at anything :).

Wlk777

6/3/2010 5:27 PM UTC

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Vick-AK tried to explain the reasons for her decision, it's a shame you didn't notice, but none of the defenders of the Arbitration Committee wanted to listen; all their arguments boiled down to the fact that he didn't need to cheat, there were obvious contradictions in Cobra's testimony (which was the basis for the decision), and that this was due to a lack of seriousness in handling the case, etc. It's a matter of perspective; some consider the prosecution's arguments to be more weighty, while others think the opposite, but at least both sides were expressed, let's stick to the facts.

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Catch

By the way, didn't anyone find it strange that I supported Loi's proposal during the vote? If it's so important for me to vote in the Arbitration Committee elections, why would I vote for a proposal that wouldn't give me the right to vote? ;)

By the way, Loi's proposal actually gave you the opportunity to vote ;) , although I personally am against people who are clearly not active players participating in the vote. Their interest is not even clear; what business do they have with the Arbitration Committee? They probably just want to stir things up... ;)

Всем удачи ! И Морали !

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bRitvo4kA

6/3/2010 5:31 PM UTC

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Wicc

The AK failed to quell the passions surrounding its decision, as a result, some players left the Hive, and some opposed the AK (which is not right in itself).

This is the main thing I blame the previous AK team for. The verdict and the measure of punishment as well, but these are minor issues compared to the main one.

The measures of punishment are not minor issues at all. Scorp is thinking correctly here,

scorp

I almost agree with this, if only the punishment were milder / but, alas, it didn't come from us / and there will always be those who are indignant at a harsh punishment!

the harsher the punishment, the more indignation it causes.
For example, if they had given ATG a permanent ban, I personally would be indignant against such a decision, and I think I wouldn't be the only one.

Wicc

I hope you don't doubt that, if I were on the AK, I could have given Alex and Cobra a permanent ban, and everything would have been quiet and calm. Well, they would have grumbled a little in the VT chat and in ICQ, and that's it.

It's not a fact, I highly doubt it. Do you even believe that yourself? :D

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