Posts from Tournaments hassles HMM II

ONLY on which the van Kanegem memorial tournaments are held.

I will try again to overcome Querty's completely incomprehensible stubbornness. More than half of the top players on King's Bounty simply refuse to play. Is this incomprehensible loyalty to King's Bounty worth their absence from the tournaments?

And another question – what will happen if I play Kanegem on the English version? Will my save file not load, or will Sir Querty somehow figure it out and not count it? Or will he not figure it out, but it's still not good to cheat the host? The versions should understand each other, right?

Or he won't figure it out, but it's not good to deceive the host, right?

This option.

Actually, I heard that during the localization of Heroes of Might and Magic II, the AI's behavior somehow changed in a supernatural way. Therefore, some battles, and possibly other actions of the computer, that occurred in one version (Book Edition), cannot be reproduced in another version (Gold Edition), and vice versa.

Another question: what will happen if I play Kanegem on the English version? Will my save not load, or will Sir Qwerty somehow figure it out and not count it? Or will he not figure it out, but it's not good to cheat the host? The versions should understand each other, right?

The save will load. And with a very high probability, the host won't figure anything out. In fact, the versions are NOT ENTIRELY identical; in particular, once, while playing online on a rival's host, I was "astonished" because the computer did something it had NEVER done on my own machine. What exactly? I won't say. In general, the situation is as follows: the maps and saves that I select for the Van Kanegem tournament are, for the most part, for maps that can be completed quickly (the result of first place + 1-2 days), and they cannot be verified with the tools I have available for the game version. However, if the game is prolonged, there may be discrepancies. The seventh stage of the Van Kanegem tournament will be after the sixth stage of the Van Kanegem tournament. Usually, this is sometime in August-September. At the moment, I am considering the possibility of holding this stage on any version of the game (within 2.1). I will make a final decision after the start of the sixth stage of the Van Kanegem tournament. By the way, it is possible to hold a tournament without Van Kanegem at all. We need ideas and the DESIRE OF PLAYERS TO PARTICIPATE. If there are 10 people who want to participate and are satisfied with the tournament format (suggest it!!!), then the tournament can start immediately after the joint event for collecting ghosts. An idea from Qwerty: a tournament WITHOUT RULES (except for the ban on versions older than DOS and versions newer than 2.1). As for what the tournament will be about, suggest it; I think everyone knows the options, but it would be nice to come up with something new, such as building the largest army (I won't allow necromancers and warlocks, so don't count on it; there won't be any necromancy huts either:))), for example, or something even more interesting.

We could try something like a mini-arena – for example, gather an army of 10,000 units with one hero in the shortest possible time, or assemble the largest possible army in 7 days, gain 50 units of stats with artifacts in the shortest time, or something related to resources. Alternatively, we could create a quest-based scenario with many tents and puzzles. And it could be limited to a Medium size map.

Actually, I heard the opinion that during the localization of Heroes of Might and Magic II, the AI's behavior logic somehow changed in a supernatural way.
Therefore, some battles, and possibly other actions of the computer, that occurred in one version (Book), cannot be reproduced in another version (Gold), and vice versa.

In general, during localization, the AI's behavior logic in battles was changed in some places. And even then, this happens very rarely. For example, in the Book version, the computer does not cast Dispel when its stack is blinded, but in the Gold version, it does. This can cause problems with repeating and verifying battles, but (!) there has never been a case where a battle that could be won in the Book version could not be won in the Gold version, or vice versa. Therefore, given that the number of players using both versions is distributed approximately in a 50/50 ratio, and because the differences between the versions can be considered insignificant, playing on any version 2.1 is allowed on the Portal and in joint tournaments.
I have never had any questions about the AI's actions outside of battles (on the adventure map). All of the AI's moves in the Book version were easily reproduced in the Gold version.

We could try something like a mini-arena – for example, gather an army of 10,000 units with one hero in the shortest possible time, or assemble the largest army in 7 days, gain 50 units of stats with artifacts in the shortest time, or something related to resources. Alternatively, we could create a quest-based scenario with many tents and puzzles. And we could easily limit the map size to M.

There is one problem. Qwerty has already made changes to the strength of some monsters in the Heroes2infoalfa file. The fact is that the strength of several monsters, as stated in most sources, does not correspond to reality. I don't yet have the ability to check the strength of EVERY monster. The Heroes2info alfa file from Qwerty has not yet been published (reportedly, it was almost ready in June 2008, but the process slowed down later).
In this regard, it is probably not entirely correct to calculate the army strength based on tables. I understand about the loyal squad of 5,000 units on the map for testing, but this is already quite laborious.
The option "assemble the largest army in 7 days, gain 50 units of stats with artifacts in the shortest time, or something related to resources" is very appealing to me, and I will consider it.
I am actively considering the option "Alternatively, we could create a quest-based scenario with many tents and puzzles. And we could easily limit the map size to M" at the moment. However, there are some difficulties here. The language of the map and save file... After all, if we are dealing with barriers and tents, players using the English version may have problems. But we will play on all versions older than 2.1 anyway. But in principle, I am currently actively thinking about a tournament with no rules on a map of size M, with the goal of quickly finding the main artifact. We could also add a quest to it.

The table is standard; it has approximately 850 creatures, 3.3 goblins, 6.2 skeletons, 9.1 orcs, and so on. You can find it on a friendly resource. I used it during a tournament, and everything seemed to match up.

This is a standard table; it shows approximately 850 hit points, 3.3 for a goblin, 6.2 for a skeleton, 9.1 for an orc, and so on. You can find it on a friendly resource. I used it during a tournament, and everything seemed to match up.

In my opinion, the values for grand elves and "pokemon veterinarians" don't match. Maybe there are others. All the rest seem to be correct.

The Heroes2info alfa file by Qwerty also contains information about pikemen (not veterans). There might be some inconsistencies... If the tournament is about speed-farming to reach an equivalent of 10,000 peasants, it can be tolerated (we will check based on 5,000 peasants), but if it's about building the largest army within a fixed time, it might not look good... However, we can still think about it; in any case, the most curious players can help update the knowledge about the strength of units...