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16 years ago
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fil0sof

Well, if we stick to this option, let's start with 2 random choices, then mirror them, and if there's a tie, we'll play a fifth game. Or we can use cards, or again, random selection.

Then it's better to use cards.
With the draft, it's good, but the one who chooses second will win.

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And in general, the balance with cards suffers, as has already been said, and random selection covers up this shortcoming) So there's at least more fairness...

The balance, yes, I agree.
Well, since everyone decided to play with the draft, let it be.
By the way, who is my opponent in the 1/2 round?
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16 years ago
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Padme

Having a good draft is certainly beneficial, but ultimately, the one who chooses second will win.

We played against a Warmonger in the semi-finals, and we agreed on a draft. In the first, third, and fifth games, I chose first, meaning I theoretically could have been countered. However, the result was in my favor. Of course, the fact that there were only 6 heroes to choose from (two cards) played a role, but after the draft, not everyone will remain, right? If you eliminate the counters to the hero you want to play beforehand, it's quite playable.
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By the way, who is my opponent in the 1/2 round?

The winner of the valery-HoM[M]ie pairing.
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16 years ago
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Regarding the semi-final:
I don't like this idea with chains; there's too much randomness involved.
For the final, I think 18 turns (for each player) is the best option. This way, each player only has 6 heroes left, making it very difficult to counter.
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fil0sof

The winner of the match between valery and HoM[M]ie.
I know that, but I'm curious to know who I'll be playing against.

I'm in favor of the original rules with the chain system (1/2).
In my opinion, they are much better than the draft system, especially if I have to choose first.
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Padme, read more carefully. Cherk 18 is just one of the ideas for the final, and the semi-final is simply based on card selection. For example, Warmonger and I abandoned the idea of a chain and simply took turns choosing; I suggest you do the same.
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16 years ago
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This very initial system has one significant drawback – it involves an even number of games (4).
Do I really need to repeat over and over again that nothing prevents us from playing one more game?
And then, we got Garuna against Helmar for the first game. There's no point in even playing; it's clear from the start.
What does "we got" mean? Heroes are chosen by the players, right? But there's some logic to it.
Well, if we stick to this option, let's start with 2 random heroes, then mirror them, and if there's a tie, we play a fifth game. Either by cards or again, randomly.
Great, how is this different from what was suggested before?

If you don't want a "chain," fine, we'll do it your way.
With the Warlord, we played in the semi-finals with a choice (we agreed on it). In the first, third, and fifth games, I chose first.
There you go. Since everyone is so smart.

And I know what to pick for the final :smile54:
"Vsev"

Final:
Before the start, each participant lists 11 heroes that the opponent cannot use.
They play until 5 wins.
Hero selection is from the heroes not banned by the opponent. One player creates four games, the other player creates four games, and the ninth game is played on Obsidian Fields. The first player to be listed in the pairing creates the first game. The first player chooses the land, then the second player chooses a hero, then the first player chooses a hero, and the game begins. In the next game, the heroes that played in the previous games do not participate.
I don't think Vsev will mind me copying and pasting the league rules here.

We'll play like this. And I'm not planning on conducting any more experiments.
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16 years ago
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League rules are good, but playing up to 5 wins seems a bit much. Some were in favor of 7 games, otherwise it could potentially extend to all 9...
It's very difficult to play in one go, otherwise it might drag on.
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16 years ago
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valery
League rules are good, but playing up to 5 wins seems a bit too much. There were suggestions for 7 games, otherwise it could potentially extend to 9...
It's difficult to play all the games in one go, and otherwise, it might take too long.
Exactly, I agree. 9 games is a long time.

And the rules for the 1/2 stage remain the same, I hope?
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16 years ago
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WisTrit

That's how we'll play. And I'm not planning on doing any more experiments.

Wiz, don't take it to heart. We're not saying that you came up with something completely useless – the card idea is actually good. You just didn't quite think it through.
And playing to 5 wins isn't that much – Dexterwar and Roma played a match, right?


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And by the way, when will the 1/4 match between Valerie and Hommie be played?
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League rules are good, of course, but playing to 5 wins seems a bit much. There were proposals for 7 games, and then potentially all 9...
It's very difficult to play in one go, and otherwise, it might drag on.
You can play in 2-3 sessions, which is quite reasonable, I think. It's the final, it will take some time, but not more than necessary, I believe.
And the rules for the 1/2 stage remain the same, I hope?
The chain has been replaced with a choice. We'll see who chooses first.
Viz, don't take it to heart. We're not saying that you came up with complete nonsense – the card idea is actually good, really good. You just didn't quite think it through.
And playing to 5 wins isn't that bad – Dexterwar and Roma managed to play, didn't they?
Haha, you think these things really offend me?
The concept of a "good idea" is not constant for everyone and is generally relative.

I've said everything I wanted to say about the tournament. There are league rules that are refined and balanced.
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16 years ago
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WisTrit

Lol, you think things like that actually offend me?
WisTrit

I've said everything I wanted to say about the tournament. There are league rules that are refined and balanced.

No offense, but these two statements don't really go together.
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16 years ago
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Once again, if you feel that my unwillingness to do anything further to improve/worsen/change/etc. the tournament is offensive, I suggest you reconsider your perspective. Since you brought up this topic, I must point out the amazing logic of current philosophers, which was fully displayed in your previous post. Players are the smartest, they know everything themselves, etc. (yes, this really offended me). Players always need the old system of matches/games, etc. (I was so upset that I cried and soaked my keyboard with tears). Players don't care about anything or anyone; they can handle everything themselves (I am experiencing terrible emotional pain, I turn on Amatori and cry-cry-cry from offense). And I decided to make it easier for everyone, so here are the league rules. However, now you don't like them either, and I feel more irritation than some mythical offense. I hope there are no more questions. The rules will not change.
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16 years ago
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1/4 finals.
valery-HoM[M]ie.
The final score was 2-1 in my favor.
It was interesting, especially the first and second games. The third game was predictable.
Thanks for the games.
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16 years ago
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I confirm, it was indeed interesting. And so, my journey in this tournament has come to an end, but I gave it my all!
Thank you all, I even enjoyed it...
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16 years ago
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Wiz, let's just drop this topic and finish the game according to the league rules. I hope your attitude towards all of us (especially towards me) hasn't changed much since the beginning of the tournament.

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