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16 years ago
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Arandor
I don't agree that Ossir is a bad hero; he's actually quite good, but he struggles against Helmar because Helmar has defense against ranged attacks and magic. Plus, my luck only kicked in a few times, and even then, it was mostly in melee combat.
I don't know about Erin; maybe she would have had a chance against Orson, but it would have been very slim because the luck reduction effect works almost every turn. But I don't deny her damage output; however, she has no defense and gets taken down quickly.
I'll leave Razak without comment.

There are two weaklings, and the third one is, as you said, more or less decent.)))
Ossir is definitely not "more or less"; he's much stronger.
WisTrit

I think Helmar will always kill Ossir O_o

That's not true. There's no hero who will always kill Ossir.))) There are heroes who have good chances against him. Helmar is definitely one of them, but it's not a 100% certainty.
Evasion, you see, can be removed...
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16 years ago
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I meant one of the two weaker heroes, more or less, because I don't think Erin is completely useless. With proper gameplay, she can put up a fight against some heroes.
P.S. I agree about the dodging; I didn't think to remove it, especially since everyone was standing close together. In that case, it could have been 2-1, still a loss.
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Yes, Ossir is probably stronger. I didn't think he also had a "ban" ability. And in general, he's completely overpowered :smile10:
Erin is not bad.
Razak is also not bad; you're underestimating Arandor.

Some complaints arose regarding rounds 1/2 and the final.
B)(May 1 - May 7)
Then, the winner of each pair gains control of the heroes from the loser's card.
2 duels are played between the remaining players.
The winner of the first pair plays against the winner of the third pair.
The winner of the second pair plays against the winner of the fourth pair.

Heroes are chosen in advance for both duels by each player, and the organizer is notified of the choice.
*B)(May 4 - May 11)
Then, the winner of each pair gains control of the heroes from the loser's card.
5 duels are played between the remaining players.
The winner of the first pair plays against the winner of the third pair.
The winner of the second pair plays against the winner of the fourth pair.

Heroes are chosen in advance for all five duels by each player, and the organizer is notified of the choice.

The heroes are arranged in the order 1-2-3-4-5 and sent to me. For each duel, the hero corresponding to the duel number will be used.


Also:
Final:
Cherk 18 (heroes are chosen from the opponent's pool).
2 duels are played, then mirror matches are played.
I think everything is clear about Cherk.
I think everything is clear about "2 duels" as well.
Mirror matches are the same 2 duels, but the heroes are switched.

Some people expressed the opinion that this is unfair and all comes down to luck. I will remain silent about this.
Perhaps in standard duels, mirror matches are not very popular or relevant.
In this regard, the question: should we change it?
I can suggest the following options:
a) 5 games, Cherk 18, who chooses first is unknown.
b) 5 games and some other Cherk.
c) 5 games and some other hero selection system.
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16 years ago
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WisTrit
Yes, Ossir is probably stronger. I didn't think he also had a dispel ability.

He also has a mass dispel ability. So, it's also very effective against Vitya's vulnerability to mental attacks.
WisTrit

a) 5 games, starting level 18, who picks first is unknown.
b) 5 games and some other starting level.
c) 5 games and some other hero selection system.

Either option a), where the finalist who placed higher in the preliminary stage decides who picks first, or option c), and we choose heroes from three cards - our own, the one taken in the quarterfinals, and the one taken in the semifinals.

I prefer the second option, i.e., c), with the cards. Let the others chime in.
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16 years ago
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1/4 FINAL
PADME - KillAndAction
3-0 in favor of Padme
Kill, thank you very much for the games!
I didn't expect to win the second game...

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Guys, please tell me the rules for the 1/2?
I can't find them anywhere.
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16 years ago
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I confirm Padme's report:smile20:

The strongest one won!:smile49:
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Padme
1/4 FINAL
PADME - KillAndAction
3-0 in favor of Padme
Kill, thank you very much for the games!
I didn't expect to win the second game... not at all...

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Guys, please tell me the rules for the 1/2 stage?
I can't find them anywhere.

Wiz wrote a little higher up, here you go:

*B)(May 4 - May 11)
Then, the winner of each pair receives the heroes from the loser's card.
5 duels are played between the remaining players.
The winner of the first pair is the winner of the third pair.
The winner of the second pair is the winner of the fourth pair.

The heroes are chosen in advance for all five duels by each player, and the choice is communicated to the organizer.

The heroes are arranged in a complete set of 1-2-3-4-5 and sent to me. For each duel, the hero corresponding to the duel number will be used in order.

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By the way, kind people, please share your opinion on the final! Options are a little higher in Wiztrit's post
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16 years ago
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I'm in favor of the card-based option. Regarding the semi-finals, why send the heroes to the organizer in advance? It seems a bit unfair; whoever gets lucky and correctly guesses the anti-heroes wins. Wouldn't it be better to have a regular semi-final? Player 1 chooses a hero, Player 2 chooses an arena and a hero, and then they switch. Also, why are there 5 games in the final? 5 games in the semi-finals and 5 games in the final? Wouldn't it be better to have 7 games?
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16 years ago
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Regarding the 1/2 final, why send the heroes to the organizer in advance? It would be a bit unfair, as the winner would be determined by luck and correctly guessing the anti-heroes. Couldn't we just have a regular semi-final? Player 1 chooses a hero, player 2 chooses an arena and a hero, then they switch.
Mirror matches are unfair, that's not fair, what else? "Cherk" is also complete nonsense because you can choose an anti-hero at your discretion.
It's not possible; I described everything in the first post.
By the way, why are there 5 games in the final? 5 games in the 1/2 final and 5 games in the final? Wouldn't it be better to make it 7 games?
Why not 20 games? Or 50, for that matter?
The tournament has a specific timeframe (at least ideally).
a) 5 games, "Cherk" 18, who chooses first is unknown.
This option is currently the priority.
There will definitely not be cards.
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16 years ago
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fil0sof-Warmonger
The final score is 3-2 in my favor. It was a tough match, and my opponent made a few mistakes. I'm waiting for the finalist now.))

Thanks for the games.
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fil0sof
fil0sof - Warmonger
The final score is 3-2 in my favor. It was a tough match, with some mistakes from my opponent. I'm waiting for the finalist))

Thanks for the games.

Yes, everything is correct, I was very unlucky in the 3rd duel, I could have won, but what can you do? Thanks to Dim for the games, and good luck! :)
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By the way, good people, please share your opinion on the finale! The options are slightly above in WisTrit's post.

Hmm... No offense to the organizer, of course, but if the heroes are chosen in a chain, rather than selected from a list, then it's pure randomness, and the one who gets luckier with the heroes and this "chain" will win.
In general, it's not bad, but it would be better to let players choose the heroes so that at least something depends on the player, and not on luck.

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WisTrit

Why not 20 games? Or 50, for example?
The tournament has a certain timeframe (at least ideally).
Here, I completely agree with our organizer. I may not make it to the finals, but I think that even 5 games is too much, and 7 is even more.

Added 22 minutes ago
WisTrit

I think everything is clear about the map.
I think everything is clear about "2 duels are played."
Mirror matches are the same 2 duels, only the heroes are swapped.

Some people have expressed the opinion that this is unfair and everything depends on luck. I will remain silent about this.
Perhaps in standard duels, mirror matches are not very popular or relevant.
In this regard, the question: should we change it?
I can suggest the following options:
a) 5 games, map 18, who chooses first is unknown.
b) 5 games and some other map.
c) 5 games and some other system for choosing heroes.

Regarding a) and b), whoever chooses second will win, they will take a counter-hero and that's it.
Therefore, I am in favor of the system initially proposed by the organizer.
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16 years ago
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The chain is random, yes. But the system is interesting, and that's the main thing. Regarding the finale and the Cherk, I can't say anything yet.
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Padme
Actually, it's not that bad, but it would be better if you could choose the heroes, so that at least something would depend on the player, and not on luck.
Well, that's an exaggeration, it's not just about skill in Dungeon... Sigh, it's all for nothing...

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And in general, the balance on the cards suffers, as has already been said, and this randomness covers up this shortcoming. So at least there would be more fairness...
I don't care at all what the tournament game schemes are. All options are acceptable, I think.
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Padme

Therefore, I support the system initially proposed by the organizer.

This very initial system has one significant drawback – it has an even number of games (4), which means there is a possibility of a draw. And then, we got Garuna against Helmar for the first game. There's no point in even playing; it's clear from the start. And then another mirror match, again, it's clear... this isn't quite right.

But if we still stick to this option, let's start with 2 random matches, then mirror matches based on those, and in case of a draw, we play a fifth game. Either by cards or again, randomly.

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