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When the Arbitration Committee (AK) was chosen, I thought it was a very good thing, and I always used it as an example on the portal. Currently, the Heroes Wiki (HW) is undoubtedly the best online resource for the Heroes games. But now, the AK is essentially doing what was done two years ago offline. If people don't see this, it's very bad. A judge, an organizer – these are also diplomats. If they can't find common ground with all the players, that's very bad. And if they can't assess what consequences their actions will lead to, that's even worse.
The issue of creating a specific body to handle controversial situations was raised by most of the Heroes players on Vol, which led to the formation of the AK. The decision that was made regarding Alex was seen by every Heroes player on Vol. And the Heroes players on Vol have the right to decide who they want to see in the AK, to delegate their authority to resolve controversial situations in the games to the people they believe can handle the task. I repeat, if you don't like the current AK, vote for the AK that you do like.
The issue of creating a specific body to handle controversial situations was raised by most of the Heroes of Might and Magic community members, which led to the formation of the Arbitration Committee (AC). Everyone in the Heroes of Might and Magic community saw the decision that was made regarding Alex. And the Heroes of Might and Magic community has the right to decide who they want to see in the AC, to delegate their authority to resolve controversial situations in the Games to those people who, in their opinion, can handle this task. I repeat, if you don't like the current AC, vote for the AC that you do like.
There is a well-known phrase: "the people deserve the rulers they choose." This is exactly the case. Democracy is flawed because the crowd amplifies the negative qualities of the people within it – stupidity, shortsightedness, bias, and a short memory.
For this simple reason, throughout history, all wise rulers have paid great attention to ideology, the history of their state, and the principles of further development – in order to channel all this chaotic mix of opinions into a constructive direction for the state.
Now, Ketch is writing intelligent things, drawing on the experience of previous conflicts in the Heroes communities. But how much of that experience do the voters have? I think that for more than half of them, this is the first such episode. Where should we expect a reasonable, balanced decision?
Correct – nowhere. Therefore, a much more primitive logic comes into play – like/dislike, one of us/not one of us, bad/good. I think the basis of the collective motivation was approximately this: "Alex is bad, the AC wants to ban him, therefore the AC is good."
The consequences of this step are hardly realized by anyone, simply because there has not yet been personal experience of stumbling on such a rake. And when it appears, new, enthusiastic participants rush in, drowning out the voice of reason of the old-timers. The wheel of history makes another turn.
That is, with democracy, it often turns out approximately as it does with girls – first they fall in love, they paint a picture of their chosen one in the most rosy colors, and when the pink fog dissipates and enlightenment comes, then there is a reversal, they erase his image in the darkest colors.
But the truth, as always, lies in the middle. But the psychology of the collective is such that it does not accept a balanced assessment – a radical opinion is much easier to implement and express.
For this reason, democratic institutions tend to degenerate in a relatively short time – when leaders begin to realize the essence of what they have been given to manage. That is, it is not necessary to bring the light of reason to the crowd; it is only necessary to feed them ideological goodies in time, and to make the right decisions independently, promoting them only after the fact, although this is not stated openly.
So, your constant appeal to the results of the vote is a sign of weakness, an inability to defend your point of view in an open dispute.
Yes, you currently have supporters, but they are so not because you are an authority or an example for them, but only because you are doing the dirty work for them – eliminating a person who is unpleasant to them.
As soon as the goals diverge, the real attitude will become apparent. How long you will last in a leadership position with such a weak position... I don't know, it depends on how soon you make a new mistake, and then you will feel on your own skin what a blind and psychologically unstable entity public opinion is.
You have a good reputation, why tarnish it with such posts? I mean the last 3 paragraphs. I understand you're defending your opinion, but do it with dignity. The fact that you're now attacking this person (even if he made a mistake or did something wrong) doesn't improve your position. By the way, as you can see, the "pseudo-liberal moderators" aren't deleting your post or editing it; they just moved it to the discussion forum as off-topic.
And in general, please stop arguing; it's getting frankly annoying.
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Kash
I'm seriously suggesting that Vika and Ketch consider the possibility of participating in the Council.
So that's why all this indignant writing from them! They simply want to be elected to the Council and make this world a better and fairer place. It's like a fifth-grader pulling a classmate's pigtails during recess; it's their way of showing their love and interest, but in Neanderthal ways :smile23:. If they weren't interested, they would have just expressed their "disgust" and left. How could we not have understood this sooner? They can't just be trolls who collect and dig up scraps after the dinner is already over. :smile52:
Honestly, for the past few days, the posts of these comrades haven't evoked anything in me but a smile. They've come to visit for a week and are trying with all their might to convince us how badly we live here. Calm down, save your strength; everything is fine with us (I understand that you won't be able to sleep peacefully with this truth). And if you don't like the local customs, please go to Bay or wherever else, cut the truth in half, because it's better there, right? In short, Tro-lo-lo. :)
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
Friday's workday started slowly and unenthusiastically, and then this happened: numOne
So, that's why all this indignant writing from their side! They just want to get elected to the AK and make this world better and fairer. It's like a fifth-grader pulling a classmate's pigtails during recess; that's how he shows his love and interest, but in Neanderthal ways :smile23:. If they weren't interested, they would have just said "ugh" and left. How did we not understand this right away? ...
:smile52: Thank you! You cheered me up. Van
...“He who is praised by our enemy is not worth praising.” Krylov I.A.
Kash, they have exposed you as an enemy and saboteur, be careful. ;)
Once upon a time, in days of yore, The Lion and the Leopard waged a long war Over disputed forests, thickets, and groves. They had no desire to settle disputes by law; For the strong are often blind to what is just. They had their own code: Whoever prevails is right. However, in the end, they realized that fighting couldn't last forever— And claws would become dull. The heroes decided to resolve matters fairly; They intended to end the military affairs, To put an end to all strife, And then, as is customary, to conclude a lasting peace Until the next quarrel. “Let us quickly appoint Secretaries from our ranks,” The Leopard suggests to the Lion, “and let their wisdom decide, And let it be so. I, for example, will appoint the Cat: The creature may not be impressive, but his conscience is clear; And you appoint the Donkey: he is of noble lineage, And, to be honest, He is a valuable asset to your court! Believe me, as a friend: your court and all its treasures Are hardly worth his hooves. Let us rely on that, On what He will achieve with my Cat.” And the Lion approved the Leopard's idea Without argument; But instead of the Donkey, he appointed the Fox From his side for this deliberation, Muttering to himself (as if he knew the world): “Whom our enemy praises, there is surely no merit in.” Krylov I.A.
I don't understand you, Yura. In the past, I read your posts carefully, and there were often ideas in them that resonated with me. Sometimes I couldn't agree, but I still appreciated the consistency and coherence. But what you're writing about AK and, in general, about those who currently hold different views is just nonsense, and quite low-level nonsense at that. What's the point of all this? Is this some kind of settling of scores?
There is no presumption of innocence, and there can't be in principle. But for an "ordinary person" to delve into this, they really need to strain their brain, which is not easy, considering that their entire life is built on such principles. This presumption (I've always been annoyed by this idiotic term) was invented with one goal in mind – to provide an alibi for a bunch of scoundrels in power. And this is successfully demonstrated to us from time to time, but much more often it is hidden behind the scenes. Objectively, it is impossible to prove even that the world exists, let alone that the perception of a particular person is true and objective; you can read about this in Russell.
As for the extensive base of evidence for the defense: there is no such base! There isn't! There is only the heroic authority of Alex and Cobra. And that is the only argument. It is subjective, but since objectivity is not worth looking for, it is quite strong. Everything else is just fluff.
About democracy and democratic institutions. This is all gone a long time ago; it existed in Novgorod, but now there is not even a parody of democracy in the world, but simply a poorly concealed dictatorship. Democracy has transformed into a "consumer society" democracy, and that is simply impossible. Free, conscious expression of will is only possible when "eating, drinking, sleeping, etc." is not at the top of each individual's life priorities. Otherwise, it is simply manipulation of public opinion.
But let's get back to our sheep. About Cobra and the (lack of) evidence base of the defenders. I personally don't believe what he wrote. Not because it couldn't have happened, but simply because it's not worth believing what he writes. Personally, I was already convinced by this
Yes, I am convinced that half of those present are cheating in one way or another, but I absolutely don't care about this, simply because I know that I play better.
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So, will the director of the company answer for his rotten words? Who is this half: Numone, Mizrael, FireToSky, or maybe me, Kash, someone else? But this question, of course, will hang in the air without an answer. This is typical of directors. Too bad he didn't present himself as a deputy, for example, of the LDPR.
And there's no need to talk about the damned presumption of innocence everywhere.
Земля нуля. Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
KobRa_RR
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Gulchatai showed her true colors! I've been waiting for this for a long time. Some kind of vague resentment towards those who play better, towards more experienced players, towards the directors, towards democracy, and towards the whole world, it seems. Maybe she just had a bad day? Maybe she should stop stressing out? Or just change jobs :)
Kash, they have exposed an enemy and saboteur within you, be careful. ;)
Everything is fine :D Yes, Van and I periodically send each other to hell, and then communicate as if nothing happened. This is normal, it's a special kind of people. I consider him one of the most reasonable here. I just didn't understand what the fable was about! :smile51::D
In general, I am quick-tempered/easily forgiving and I like people who are easily forgiving. You can easily argue, let off steam, and then, when you calm down, I just said to him, "okay, you... I yelled at you yesterday...", and in response, I heard something like "forget it, I'm the same." :) Like with Inviz before.
And... guys... let's make peace already, enough of this fuss :) Think it over and it will be.
P.S. And Scorpion calls me a loser every day... :smile39:
Added 4 minutes later In short, if another outburst of emotions starts now regarding the story with Alex, I will delete the latest posts by Vik, numOne, Oelma, and Cobra, and all subsequent posts on this topic. I'm tired of it. ICQ in profiles and in Tournaments, if necessary
P.S. And he calls me a noob every day... :smile39:
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What a jerk! And when I called him a Czech once, he almost blocked me:mad:.
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In short, if another wave of emotions regarding the situation with Alex starts now, I will delete the latest posts.
It's about time.
Стратегия - искусство возможного.
Первое правило форума : "Хвалу и клевету приемли равнодушно И не оспаривай глупца" (с)
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I don't understand you, Yura. In the past, I read your posts carefully, and there were often ideas in them that resonated with me. Sometimes I couldn't agree, but I still appreciated the consistency and coherence.
The tone depends heavily on the role I play in the conversation. Right now, it's the role of an advocate for the aggrieved party in a public dispute. Consistency isn't required here; rather, emotional pressure is. And I'm still maintaining some level of coherence, right?
But what you write about AK and, in general, about those who currently hold different views is just nonsense, and quite low-level nonsense at that. What's the point of all this? Is it some kind of settling of old scores?
It's not about settling old scores... everyone I had conflicts with in the Heroes community (and unfortunately, there were some) has either left or is about to leave the community for one reason or another. Back then, I was young, and these people were older, so I perceived them as a threat. Now, it's just a game. AK can't really bother me much anymore, so my attitude towards her is more like treating her as a punching bag – I kick her a bit and then I'm done.
About democracy and democratic institutions. That's all gone a long time ago; it existed in Novgorod, but now the world doesn't even have a parody of democracy; it's just a poorly concealed dictatorship. Democracy has evolved into a "consumer society" democracy, and that's simply not possible. Free, conscious expression of will is only possible when "eating, drinking, sleeping, etc." is not at the top of each individual's list of priorities. Otherwise, it's just manipulation of public opinion.
That's essentially what I was writing about in my previous post. The flaws of democracy have been known for a long time, and people are trying to compensate for them in some way, but without it being obvious from the outside.
In Novgorod, by the way, there wasn't really democracy either, except perhaps at the beginning, when it was a relatively small trading settlement. Later, it gradually decayed, and by the time Ivan the Terrible's army arrived, it was something like Rome during the time of the Hunnic invasions.
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My brief opinion, just because I haven't written here yet. 1. I am absolutely against the Arbitration Committee (AC) interfering in my Tournaments and influencing my decisions. But there may be situations where their help is needed. Firstly, I mainly work with beginners, and not all of them are reasonable. I can handle it and make my unbiased decision, but... We have a democratic resource. An offended (as it seems to him) beginner may have a brilliant idea to appeal this somewhere on the forum. Support from an uninformed public, then my sputtering in an attempt to justify myself... Why do I need all this if there will be a special body to which I can submit all the materials in such a situation and save my nerves?
And I am absolutely against the AC not interfering in your Tournaments!!! In fact, it doesn't interfere anywhere, in any Tournaments until it is asked to, but if any of the participants, in the event of a controversial situation with you or your opponent, considers your decision unfair or biased and decides to appeal it to the AC, then he should have such an opportunity. And this is his right! The AC is guided only by the rules and the system of penalties for violations and should generally be indifferent to public opinion. And the AC knows better whether the decision is correct or biased. In your Tournament, I had a situation where I was given 0 points because rewhait couldn't play against me... You told me then that it was just a "fun" thing and I was "confusing things," but I think that if I had appealed to the AC then (probably I should have), the AC would have ruled in my favor, because there is also a seasonal Tournament. It is also unknown what would have happened in the case of maxlewis, if he had not started writing what he started writing, but had calmly appealed to the AC. Maybe it would have defended his victory over Enik. If your decision is correct and unbiased, then you have nothing to worry about - the AC will support you and you will not have to prove or justify anything. And all your Tournaments and, in general, any Tournaments for the third game on our resource should be held on a level playing field, and any of their participants, including you, should have the opportunity to immediately contact the AC if they suddenly feel that they are being treated unfairly.
And in general, a very interesting situation is observed: we created the AC, but no one appeals to it. Nothing has changed. When a controversial situation arises, it starts like it did before the AC appeared!!! And why is it necessary to have all these squabbles??? If you think that your opponent or the Tournament organizer is wrong, do not prove anything with foam at the mouth in your posts - write to the AC and provide it with the data that it asks you for. And if you are right in this situation, then the AC will make a decision in your favor!!! Why did the AC appear, but in fact, no one uses it, and everyone still tries to resolve the issue on their own???!!!
If a controversial situation arises with an opponent or organizer, do not write anything on the forum!!! Contact the AC!!! Contact the AC!!! Contact the AC!!!
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
Patience isn't required here; quite the opposite, emotional intensity is.
An aggressive style is certainly correct and appropriate... as long as you don't overdo it and get tilted. :) When tilted, any such "correct" aggressor risks sinking to the level of the most uptight player, or even lower. I hope that now everyone has offended each other to roughly the same degree and can finally calm down. Why don't you pick on me instead? Look at the beautiful, vibrant post Volodya wrote :D And I'm going to go reread Moshman, I think.
What kind of settling of scores are we talking about... everyone I used to have conflicts with in the Heroes community (and unfortunately, there were such instances) has either left or is about to leave the group for various reasons. Back then, I was young, and these people were older, so I perceived them as a threat to myself. But now, it's all just childish games. AK can't really bother me anymore, so my attitude towards them is more like treating them as a punching bag – I kick them a bit and then I'm done with it.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Settling scores in the style of a little boy: "Oh, my parents won't give me candy, so I'll poop in their pants out of spite." And then I'll feel better).
And about the idea that each person in AK is okay individually, but together they're not – it's just funny... and absurd. This effect happens when too many people gather together, but here there are no more than the number of jurors in a court.
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Well, to be honest, I don't care about you at all, after the "favorites." I don't know what you were expecting. Have I been neglecting you for a long time? If it weren't for Vik's posts, I wouldn't even mention you, but suddenly he has a vast amount of evidence.
I have my own opinion about your level of play, but I'm not going to voice it here. Although I think Alex plays noticeably better than you. If I'm in the mood, I'm ready to play a tactical game with you for a bet, but I don't have the time or desire for a random game.
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