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AlexSpl
Why not do the same in SoD? Move the restrictions from the Rules into the DATA folder?

Then it wouldn't be a "pure SoD" anymore.
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Come on, guys, is it really possible to ban someone for wearing a captain's hat?:eek: If so, then the game isn't really "clean" in terms of its code.
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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#1430
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You can ban the hat as well. However, it won't be possible to do it elegantly (like in The Editor), but you can simply remove it from the list of artifacts.

In general, in the Lite version, bans on artifacts and spells are set using checkboxes in the options.
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AlexSpl
Why not do the same in SoD? Move the restrictions from the Rules into the DATA folder?
They do, it's just not very popular with us....
I've already written about it and provided a link to an archive of additional files created for a specific set of rules. It includes restrictions on lava creatures, reduced transportation magic, and bans on mapmakers and healing forts, etc.
This patch works perfectly for the tournament that's currently running, and there are no complaints that it's not a "pure" SoD. It's just that some people probably don't want to create a separate patch for each tournament, although some aspects are suitable for all tournaments (e.g., the captain's hat :)).

P.S. You can also change the reward in cans... this is visible in the link above.
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Wicc
You can ban hats too. But it won't be possible to do it in an elegant way (like in The Elder Scrolls).
Is this a publicity stunt? :D Everything is possible, but there are few "intellectuals"...
and you can also borrow ideas from foreign colleagues.
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AlexSpl
Why not do the same in the editor?
The more of these "improving" replacements there are, the more different the game will become. Many will have different text files, etc.... It will lead to all sorts of confusion, and in the end, no one will play the game in that state.
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Dirty_Player
The more of these "improving" replacements there are, the more fragmented the game will become. Many people will have different text files and so on.... All sorts of confusion will ensue, and in the end, no one will play Heroes like that.

I don't quite follow the logic:confused: What is wrong with banning things that are already banned to make room for other treats? 100% of games are played without "water" items, so why not ban the captain's hat and such? People will complain less about getting boots of levitation in the Dragon Utopia; distributions will become a bit more balanced, imho. If there were such a text file (one that bans water, cartographers, and everything banned by the rules), personally, I would only play with it.
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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Satyr
I don't quite understand the logic:confused: What's wrong with banning something that's already banned, freeing up space for other goodies?
Let me explain my opinion with a simple example. Let's say we're playing. You have a text file (version one) that bans the captain's hat. And I have the same text file (but version two) that bans the captain's hat and levitation boots. You created the game, we're playing... I take a minimal utopia (in the first one :cool:), lose a lot of units, and I get levitation boots (because I didn't create it)... I lose, and a fight starts about who's to blame... :D
The example is simple, but the point is clear. There can be many text files! You'll have to keep track of the latest updates... And someone who hasn't played for a couple of months will have a hard time finding the text files...
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Dick, instead of a huge amount of text in the rules under the "Prohibited" section, just put a link to a text file, and voilà! Just like links to templates, the map editor, and other things. You go there once, download it, and you don't have to bother yourself or get annoyed trying to find it. I consider further discussion pointless, since there is no text file, but I think it would be much better to play with it:rolleyes:
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Satir
Dick, instead of a huge pile of text in the rules under the "Prohibited" section, just put a link to a text file and voilà!
Another TXT file was attached there, but you didn't notice. And people don't read the rules every day.
Satir
I consider further discussion pointless, as there is no text file.
How is there none? It exists! The tech team has been using it for a long time. It should work for SOD as well.
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Dirty_Player
Another TXT file was attached there, but you didn't notice. And people don't read the rules every day.
Well, if they're so insistent, then everything will stay as it is. At least, we need to try; I would personally try.
Dirty_Player

What do you mean, no? It exists! Tech guys have been using it for a long time. It should also work for SoD. (At least, it should).
But there are so many changes that a true Aryan, *ahem*, SoD player, will say, in annoyance, "This isn't the true game with 10 gnomes that I love so much!" or something like that ;). And why not ban water maps and everything else that's prohibited in the rules? I think such a text file would be accepted without any problems and even be a hit. :smile23:
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Satyr
Well, if they cling to it so much, then everything will stay in its place. At least, one should try, I would personally try.

But there are so many changes that a true Aryan, *ahem*, Soviet, looking at them, would say, indignant, "This is not the true game with 10 gnomes that I love so much!" or something like that ;). And banning water-themed artworks and everything else that is prohibited in the rules, why not? I think such a text-based game would be well-received and even a hit. :smile23:

I agree :smile02:


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Message from Satyr: Why not ban water-themed artifacts and everything else that is prohibited by the rules? I think such a text-based artifact would be well-received and even popular. +1.
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Dirty_Player
Let me explain my opinion with a simple example. We're playing a game. You have a text file (first version) that bans the Captain's Hat. And I have a similar text file (but the second version) that bans the Captain's Hat and the Boots of Levitation. You created the game, we're playing... I take a minimal Utopia (in the first version :cool:), lose a lot of units, and I get the Boots of Levitation (because I didn't create it)... I lose, and a fight starts about who's to blame... :D
The example is simple, but the point is clear. There can be many text files! You need to keep track of the latest updates... And someone hasn't played for a couple of months, and it's a real pain for them to find these text files...

The text file is definitely to blame.
Don't words like "common sense" ring a bell?
"He who "wants" seeks an opportunity. He who "doesn't want" seeks a reason."
It's not about text files/TE/alcohol/drugs... It's all about people.
If a person playing SoD/Light/TE is a Human Being, a Personality, then they will remain so in any situation. Or are you in favor of creating "comfortable conditions" that don't allow people to show themselves from different sides?
You can't stay in one place - you either "develop" or "degrade".
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Psyche_7
It's definitely the text file's fault.
Don't words like "common sense" ring a bell?
"Those who 'want' to find a way. Those who 'don't want' to find an excuse."
It's not about text files/TE/vodka/drugs... It's all about people.
If a person playing SoD/Light/TE is a Human, a Personality, then they will remain so in any situation. Or are you in favor of creating "comfortable conditions" that don't allow people to show themselves from different angles?
You can't stay in one place – you either "develop" or "degrade."
You speak beautifully. But you don't know what kind of complaints we have to deal with in the AK and how absurd they sometimes are. There is a TXT file. I can upload it – use it with mutual consent. But for example, there is a text file called zaobjts.txt, and I've lost count of how many versions of it there are on the forum. In some versions, crypts are generated on lava, and in others, they aren't. In some versions, forts are on hills, and in others, they aren't. In earlier versions, obelisks were disabled, and in the latest version, they are enabled again. (Correct me if I'm wrong). When I played a tournament with Forrest in TE, I asked him, "Will we use zaobjts?" He replied, "No! I don't know what Vick has messed with and disabled." :D (Maybe not verbatim, but that's the gist). We could, of course, create a complete description, force everyone to download and install it. I don't know what would come of it... P.S.: By the way, for those who don't know, different text files are responsible for objects, spells, and artifacts, so there are many of them!!! :smile01: