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Nowadays, this is not far from the truth, but in general, if you care about the fate of your homeland, you won't be afraid to stand alone against a thousand.
But what if your homeland itself attacks someone? What then? You get killed, and you didn't even have anything against the enemy...
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Afghanistan is an example of such a war. It’s quite sad. But should one then move to America? One should fight the rotten fruits on the tree of one’s homeland, strive to ensure that one’s country is respected, not hated. It is easy to achieve universal fear, but much more difficult to achieve universal respect.
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This is what the philosophy of Heroes leads us to. Fighting against the rotten fruits on the tree of our homeland is necessary. But fighting peacefully is unrealistic. Strength recognizes only strength. I think Ilyin has an article called "On resisting evil with force." He says that every person does not resist evil to the extent that he himself is evil. You need to stand up against evil (from your point of view) – and you will eradicate this evil within yourself. The problem is that the concepts of good and evil do not coincide for different people. And therefore, when you go to fight evil (according to your beliefs), you may be fighting against good (according to your enemy's beliefs).
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That's why I never fight anyone over beliefs or principles; I engage in conversation. I start discussions (not aggressive ones), listen to their opinion, and express my own. Of course, it's harder to talk to aggressive people. You won't convince a skinhead with words, for example. But here – yes, here you have to use force. Personally, I consider evil to be anything that causes suffering to the innocent, but that doesn't mean that the one causing that suffering is also evil. Take, for example, the Inquisition: they weren't evil; they believed they were doing the right thing. Similarly, a person who has had a very difficult life, becomes embittered, and also starts "paying people back in their own coin." You can commit evil unintentionally. Carelessly spoken words, arriving late for a date that they were eagerly anticipating. A husband gets drunk out of grief and beats his wife while intoxicated. In a sober state, he wouldn't have done that (although there are different kinds of husbands). That's why the Lord said, "If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other," and that's why Yeshua Ha-Nozri gave us the eleventh commandment: "Love one another, for God is love" (see signature). I apologize for the unintentional proselytizing, but I couldn't explain the principles I live by any other way. Before striking an evildoer, find out why they are doing evil. P.S. I could write more, but it would turn into a sermon, and the post is already quite long.
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My opinion is this: if a person realizes that they are doing something wrong, then they are evil. As for Nowizard's examples: if the Inquisition is not evil, then Satanists are not evil either – they also believe that they are doing the right thing; a man got drunk out of grief and beat his wife – but why did he drink in the first place? Alcohol won't make things better, and the problems won't disappear; they will most likely only get worse (it's a pity that not everyone understands this); regarding the embittered person – someone great said: "Revenge is good only if two conditions are met: if innocent people do not suffer as a result, and if it does not become the meaning of life." P.S. And please try not to promote any religion.
И пусть тьма освещает Ваш путь.

"- Так кто же ты, наконец?
- Я - часть той силы, что вечно хочет зла и вечно совершает благо."
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My opinion is this: if a person realizes that they are doing evil, then they are evil.

And regarding Nowizard's examples: if the Inquisition is not evil, then Satanists are not evil either – they also believe that they are doing the right thing; a man got drunk out of grief and beat his wife – but why did he drink? Alcohol won't make things better, and the problems won't disappear; they will most likely only get worse (it's a pity that not everyone understands this); regarding the embittered person – someone great said: "Revenge is good if two conditions are met: if innocent people do not suffer as a result, and if it does not become the meaning of life."

P.S. And try not to promote any religion anymore.
1) In my opinion, Satanists are people who lack the strength to live righteously, so they think: "I'll join Velzebul, maybe I'll avoid torment, and become one of them." IMHO.
2) Not everyone knows that drinking only makes things worse; you yourself said that. And some drink to forget, not to remember or see "all of this." Some consider this a way out.
3) That's why he's embittered, and that's why he shouldn't be hated, but helped, because he doesn't understand that by acting this way, he is becoming like those he hates. There is another saying: "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." If someone hits you once, defend yourself, but no more.

P.S. I won't promise, but I'll try
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Although the topic has strayed quite far from the post mentioning Ancient Greece, I want to correct Nowizard. The Olympic Games were not invented as an alternative to war, but rather as a way to prepare Greeks for military action. Your opinion about the Games is simply based on a common misconception. In Ancient Greece, the Games were held during the harvest festival, a time when Greeks refrained from fighting each other to avoid destroying the fruits of their labor. Over time, this event became associated with the signing of peace treaties, the exchange of prisoners, and the payment of ransoms for leaders. But when the festivals ended, the Greeks happily resumed slaughtering each other. :)
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I didn't know that. At least once every four years, they stop fighting each other. :(

More like an IMHO than the philosophy of mages: There is no God! Join the crazy cult, comrades!

The philosophy of knights: A true knight must always be ready to protect the innocent and punish the wicked! He must be merciful, patient, and brave. A knight's destiny is to fight for the cause of good and hope that his services will never be needed again.

The philosophy of scoundrels who consider themselves knights: Our cause is just, and we will find the enemy...
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The philosophy of necromancers: we will live in this world... but only we. The philosophy of fallen knights: why spend years studying the secrets of Light and receive only meager power in return, when you can easily turn to Darkness and gain immense power.
И пусть тьма освещает Ваш путь.

"- Так кто же ты, наконец?
- Я - часть той силы, что вечно хочет зла и вечно совершает благо."
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Regarding the fallen Knight: they will never understand this...

Gremlin philosophy: Whoever comes to us with a sword is easier to shoot :D (Taken from K/I WarCraftIII)

Dwarf philosophy: Many years ago we were imprisoned in ice... The time has come to pay! Our chief will lead us to the glory of the lord of snows!

Ghost philosophy: Peace... For hundreds of years we have not remembered what that is. Necromancer summoned us from the world of the dead. However, it is the only thing we crave... Peace... But Necromancer summoned us from the world of the dead, disturbing our... peace... Someday, we shall find... peace... again... when the Necromancer become one of us! Hahahahaha... peace...

P.S. Involuntarily, I end up writing as if a ghost or dwarf himself is telling you about the way of life of his kin, which slightly distorts the image of a philosophical statement. Please bear with me.
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For Heroes, as I see it, the philosophy of Mithraism (or its eastern branch – the Bon religion) is the most fitting: the worst crime is deceiving someone who trusts you. But in war, this is perfectly acceptable, because one shouldn't be a fool. Dishonest money is evil, but war spoils are an honest warrior's earnings.
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Griffins: We are the embodiment of knightly valor. We are the symbol of the greatest and most glorious of empires. We are the nightmare of the empire's enemies. We are the GRIFFINS!

Imperial Griffins: I don't see anything in this thing!
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The philosophy of the death knights: Everyone is given the right to choose. Everyone will realize it in the way they want and can. Some become mages. Some become knights. Our path is different – we are knights of darkness. Because Darkness also needs protection from those who seek to impose only light everywhere. Just as day cannot exist without night, just as the moon cannot shine without the sun, so Light cannot exist without Darkness.
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Then, correct the name of the philosophy. Not Knights of Death, but Dark Knights or Black Knights. Knights of Death in the 5th game are higher vampires exiled from the Necropolis; otherwise, they are just vampires. Knights of Death: for centuries, they served the cause of death faithfully. But we were betrayed. Replaced by some overgrown monks with braids! Fools! These pathetic imitations of necromancers will regret their decision... sooner or later, the Necropolis faction will be led by Knights of Death!
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Then, correct the name of the philosophy. Not Knights of Death, but Dark Knights or Black Knights. Knights of Death in the 5th game are higher vampires exiled from the Necropolis; otherwise, they are just vampires.

Knights of Death: for centuries, they served the cause of death faithfully. But we were betrayed. Replaced by some overgrown monks with braids! Fools! These miserable imitations of necromancers will regret their decision... sooner or later, the Necropolis faction will be led by Knights of Death!
This is a great idea for a new expansion, "The Return of the Knight." The exiled Knights of Death retreat to the desert, where they gather orcish hordes under their banner and lead them to storm the citadels of Heresh. Of course, the orcs won't have an easy time, but does a true Knight of Death care about that?:p :D

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