philosophy — Philosophy

Silvanis

10/26/2006 5:50 PM UTC

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Well, it depends on what YOU consider to be good and what you consider to be evil. Is knowledge necessarily good? Knowledge isn't always true; it can be misleading (and, in my opinion, conclusions drawn too hastily and based on incomplete data are especially harmful). And even truth, if you look at it more closely, isn't always good – just think of the well-worn phrase "a lie for the greater good."
You could say that good is happiness. But, again, is that really the case?

Tengro

10/26/2006 6:27 PM UTC

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Good, evil... I'll repeat myself (and this will be overused): GOOD is different for everyone. EVIL is too. Heaven and Hell are different for everyone...
And that's normal. Why??? Because everyone has THEIR OWN soul... and everyone has THEIR OWN.
And the most terrible thing in this world is judging others. Not from your own point of view, but as an ABSOLUTE truth. To do this, you need to stop loving people... And a person who doesn't know how to love is not living. They are not a person. They are a "moving and eating body."

"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ

"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ

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СКИФ

10/26/2006 7:56 PM UTC

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Tengro;41377

A person who doesn't know how to love isn't truly living. They are not a person. They are a "moving and eating body."

But what about people who live for revenge?

Пуля производит удивительные изменения в голове, даже если она попадает в за***цу.

Tengro

10/26/2006 8:04 PM UTC

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Oh, that's even scarier...
A person who lives ONLY for revenge, in pursuit of vengeance, destroys lives. And if the goal of a person's life becomes the word REVENGE, then this is no longer a human being. It's a robot. What will happen to them when they get their revenge, when life loses its meaning??? Besides, even such people have some kind of attachment...

"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ

"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ

СКИФ

10/26/2006 8:07 PM UTC

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What will happen to such a person after taking revenge? It's an age-old question in Hollywood movies. Will they find peace, will they find solace? A person seeks revenge in order to find peace. IMHO.

Пуля производит удивительные изменения в голове, даже если она попадает в за***цу.

Tengro

10/26/2006 8:12 PM UTC

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Yes. ETERNAL PEACE. Again, everything I said an hour before midnight is my PERSONAL DELUSION. But SUCH ones don't live long. Revenge – and death... IMHO, it's right. Too many souls are broken because of such avengers.

"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ

"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ

Alan

10/26/2006 8:19 PM UTC

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Why should they care about broken souls if they have found peace...?

Тьма - это то, что позволяет смертным не забывать, как ярок бывает свет.

СКИФ

10/26/2006 8:22 PM UTC

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That's in movies... In real life, a person usually takes revenge on a scoundrel. And I repeat, only in movies, to punish a villain, you need to kill dozens of people. In real life, either the avenger or their target dies as a result of revenge. IMHO.
And by the way, tell me, what's the lie here? Why did I get a reprimand?
"Sorry to disappoint... but Rin has stepped down as the clan leader."
These are his words, and he said it in front of witnesses.

Пуля производит удивительные изменения в голове, даже если она попадает в за***цу.

Tengro

10/26/2006 8:27 PM UTC

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They – have none. After all, “the end justifies the means,” right?
But… when SUCH a person breaks those who stand in his way…
“The sooner the Avenger finds peace, the freer this world will become”…
In general, avengers, scoundrels, villains break souls… Some do it for pleasure, some – JUST LIKE THAT…

"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ

"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ

СКИФ

10/26/2006 8:30 PM UTC

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And Zorro and Robin Hood are at the forefront of these scoundrels and villains... :)

Пуля производит удивительные изменения в голове, даже если она попадает в за***цу.

Tengro

10/26/2006 8:31 PM UTC

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Scyth. I'm not talking about PHYSICAL death... Have you ever talked to someone who... wasn't quite all there??? I did... I remembered him for two days. And he wasn't aggressive at all. But if he had been...
The soul... it's semi-material... Yes, yes...
And also... We're all a little crazy. Some of us just hide it better...
Like me.

"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ

"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ

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Artes

10/27/2006 9:32 AM UTC

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God knows what is best for whom.

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Nowizard

10/27/2006 9:43 AM UTC

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Kyle;41311

Have you considered that God, after creating the universe, might have distanced himself and ceased to interfere in our lives until the moment of the final judgment, and then... well, you understand...

Do you have any facts to base your argument on? A stone, perhaps, with the inscription "I have left, but I will return and punish you all"?

2Tengro Interesting, but in most cases (at least in Hollywood), the avenger ultimately forgives the offender, no matter how heinous their crime. What do you say about such people? This is just out of curiosity; I really enjoyed how you talked about avengers.

Бог есть любовь

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Archer

10/27/2006 10:07 AM UTC

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Nowizard;41294

If only, if only... But if your parents hadn't met, you wouldn't exist. And if someone had shot Lenin, there wouldn't have been a revolution, and if... :D

Haven't you heard of something called fate?

That's exactly what I wanted to say: everything happened as it should, although the concept of fate as predetermination contradicts scripture. Silvanis mentioned this.

Now, regarding predestination, God's will, etc. The idea here is that God, when creating the world, created all possible scenarios for its development – that is, Adam could have disobeyed the prohibition, or he could have obeyed. A person finds themselves in situation A; there are several ways out of it, and depending on which path they choose, they will be presented with one of the possible following situations. In other words, a person does not control which situations will be presented to them (in one sense, they do, as they determine this with their actions, but in another sense, they don't, because the person often can't even remotely imagine what will happen to them tomorrow; they can imagine it, but guessing is unlikely), but they do control how these situations will be resolved.

Nothing depends on a person (this is very well said by Bulgakov in "The Master and Margarita"). Even if there are an infinite number of possible choices, the number of possible choices does not negate the final result. If it were the other way around, there would be a possibility that Satan would win at Armageddon, but I don't think this is part of the Lord's plan; He simply won't allow it. There are many examples: Jesus, praying in the Garden of Gethsemane the night before his arrest, said, "May this cup pass from me." He knew what would happen to him, but he accepted his "fate," if you can call it that. But if the Son of God could not change the Father's plans, then what about us...?
And this is just one example.