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Kash
The situations of "rest due to a block" and "one road in ГО" are not like two peas in a pod. They are, excuse me, like heaven and earth... One road in ГО is a difficult situation, a strong block at the castle exit is an insurmountable one. So don't compare them. The fact that a strong block is not provided for in the rules is probably to prevent abuse.
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So, here's the thing.
They agreed to ask me if this was a block. I answered that yes, it was a block. Will anyone else argue that this is a block? What does breaking on the third week have to do with it? You need to break on the third ГО, not break through the castle exit. Here again is an unequal comparison. A worse spawn is normal. A block at the exit is not a game, it's just: the spawn gave such a situation that you can't play no matter how much you want. And not giving a re in such a situation — that's nonsense.
I see you still haven't understood anything... He has the right to give a rest and also the right not to give one... and the fact that you are using your authority to pressure him into giving it is not good!!! There are forum rules that everyone plays by, and they don't need to be changed!!! A block is when you can't leave the town, but here you could leave, and I broke them... as I said... and the fact that breaking ГО on the 3rd is not standard... and not giving a rest, there is nothing shameful about that... this is a tournament!!! I'm not going to waste my time while he sits there choosing his spawn... he has 2 legal rests... I think that says it all!!!
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Kash
Wow... I managed to get out of the castle on the third week!!! :smile52::smile52::smile52:

lol, that's hilarious)))
Победа не главное...
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mals
I fully agree with Gomunguls. I'll repeat myself - change the rules for the tournament. I'm sure there will be other dissatisfied players in similar situations.
We play according to the seasonal rules. If the seasonal rules are changed, the tournament rules will also be changed, and that's it.

Formally, you are right, if you follow the letter of the law, then a restart cannot be given in this case. I was asked, and I advised to give it. And I said that this is an impassable block. In response, they started arguing with me that this block is not strong, and now they say that it can only be broken on the third attempt...

In general, here's the deal:
If player A, who lost in the end, as I understand it, has the conscience to write a report about winning on turn 112, it's his right. I think player B will confirm it and won't argue. I will also accept it.
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So, the fix for the forum and in 2 minutes, a message to Kesh in ICQ!!!
There's no block there, it's just a map bug. Because there should be some kind of mine near the castle (wood, stones, whatever)...
The solution to the situation was sensibly proposed by Soroka, namely a draw!!!
I'm sure the opponent wouldn't have allowed a restart in this situation; it's a tournament, after all!!!!
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Come on, Cash, don't let these little jabs get to you. We have plenty of people on our forum who love to participate in every topic and always have to express their AUTHORITATIVE opinion... You need to be more easygoing, especially since you're the organizer and curator of this tournament... You need to be more accommodating. If it wasn't initially stated in the regulations that there's no restart after a blockade, then it's up to the two players to decide. If they can't agree, then by default, according to the rules...
I completely agree with you; venturing out from your starting base on week 3 is like a death sentence, but inexperienced newcomers are playing (and I don't mean to offend them, I was one of them not long ago), and not many will be able to use this amazing advantage...
I'm addressing the participants: if your opponent won't allow a restart after a blockade, don't give up, play to the end... And maybe you'll be the first to find some killer strategies... Read the season reports; the game doesn't end just because someone breaks through your defenses and captures your starting Castle. You can return a week later and give them a beating for such audacity. Gather a large army, collect as many artifacts as possible, gain control of the Dungeon, Tower, or Wings, and torment your opponent...
Good luck!
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I see you still don't understand... He has the right to grant a rest, and he has the right not to. And the fact that you're trying to pressure him with your authority to give a rest is not good!!! There are forum rules that everyone follows, and there's no need to change them!!! A block is when you can't leave the city, but here you can leave, and I exploited that... I'm telling you... and the fact that breaking the game on turn 3 is not standard... and not giving a rest, there's nothing shameful about it... it's a tournament!!! I'm not going to waste my time while he's there choosing his next move... he has 2 legal rests... I think that says it all!!!
Yes, I understand you perfectly. You just don't understand me... Excellent - both players chose rests, one got a good card, the other got a bad one, let's all play like that now. Okay, let's close this topic. Let your friend do what he wants. I follow the rules and won't allow them to be broken. Write a report: 111 The opponent has a great setup, hidden units, and cons. 112 The opponent surrenders because of an allegedly strong block, which can be easily broken on turn three!!!! LOL!!! Thanks for the game, it was interesting!!!!

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Okay, let's end this argument :) Nothing serious happened, it's a normal situation. Roma, Igor, thanks. In general, I think a draw would be an acceptable result if V wins in the end...
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It's simple here. There's no such thing as a "rest per turn" in the rules. You can only ask for a rest by appealing to your opponent's humanity. Well, sometimes the map generator just does that... it's just a game, and the rules are like that.

Agree, it's much more pleasant to lose LIKE THAT, than against Shakti, who has two red dragon nests and a ton of money in his castle. The map generator just took its due for some kind of unfair setup :D

I had a similar situation in a tournament. I had a block of medusas, and there were no restarts available. I honestly admitted defeat, typed "gg," and didn't bother anyone. That's what I advise everyone to do.
SEM_56
There's no block there, it's just a map bug. Because there should be some kind of mine near the castle (wood, stone, whatever)...
Where did you get that information from? :confused:
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Kash
We play according to the seasonal rules. If the seasonal rules change, the tournament rules will change accordingly.

Formally, you are right; if we follow the letter of the law, a restart shouldn't be given in this case. I was asked, and I advised giving one. I also said that it's an impassable block. In response, they started arguing that this block isn't that strong; now they say it can only be broken through on the third attempt...

In short:
If player A, who ultimately lost, feels it's right to submit a report claiming a victory on turn 112, that's their right. I think player B will confirm it and won't argue. I would also accept it.
For the future, I would add a restart option for blocked situations and describe in the comments that there is a block and what its minimum parameters are (like a group of 4th-level creatures, a group of 3rd-level archers, etc.), otherwise, GG.
Победа не главное...
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Kash
Basically, it's like this: If player A, who ultimately lost, feels comfortable writing a report about winning on turn 112, that's his right. I think player B will confirm it and won't argue. I would accept it too.

No one is talking about a win, but why didn't player B offer a draw in this situation?! I think that's not very fair!

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To all participants: if your opponent doesn't allow a restart due to a block, don't give up, play to the end....And it's possible that you will be the first to find winning strategies....Read the season reports, because the game doesn't end just because someone breaks your Gate of the Month and captures your starting Castle; you can return after a week and give them a beating for such audacity))). Gather a large army, collect as many artifacts as possible, gain control of Dungeon, Tower, or Wings, and torment your opponent....
Good luck!!
I've had similar situations happen to me...and I still played! There's no need to force the situation into a specific framework. In the first game, it's a standard build...in the third, break the Gate of the Month and win...sometimes the game changes your plans!
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Okay, let's stop going off-topic and get back to the tournament discussion. :)
Later, when things cool down, I'll add a couple more comments carefully, so as not to offend anyone.

Vitaly, sorry for the swearing... it was in the heat of the moment, not meant to be malicious. :)

Dirty is right, as always... =)<
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Group C
TROR (red, Stronghold, Kreg Hack, Kreg Hack) def Pradromalo (blue, Rampart, Kairi, Kairi), 2sm4d(3), 136

Although I don't like playing as Barbarians, I had to because the opponent chose first...
The map was rich in crystals, so I built bears and managed to attack early on.
I got two units to max and near-max, and took a secondary town on day 3. On week 2, I took Inferno in metro.
In general, nothing special happened by week 2. I scouted everything on the opponent's map. Then he came to me and fell into the trap – a merciless victory for Hack.
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I agree with some points, but not all!!!
(1) 2 restarts should be enough to choose a good setup; there's no need to take more unless the 2nd one hasn't been built yet...
(2) No one forces you to play by these rules (the rules change by mutual agreement).
(3) If player A isn't strong and uses these kinds of wins, they won't get far anyway! If they are strong, it's their right to give or not give...

I don't see anyone being right or wrong here! If these players can't find a compromise, then the decision is up to the AC:smile41:


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Guys, I am Sir magnetik!
I announce to everyone, publicly, that I am leaving this tournament!
I am leaving because I played against an opponent and won the game against him!
I played by the rules! However, there was a controversial moment, we appealed to the supreme arbiter, and he made a ruling. We started a new game as per his suggestion... Later, after my victory, the opponent offers a draw, because he suddenly remembered that controversial moment.
After that, he blabbed like a real magpie about it to the whole World-wide community, and then the supreme arbiter asked me to agree to the draw...
Everyone who wrote on the forum discussing this topic refers to the rules, claiming that the supreme arbiter pressured my opponent! That the opponent should have decided whether to give me a restart or not. I don't think so. The supreme arbiter acted wisely and defended my honor on the entire forum.... There are many details that many don't even suspect, just lightly discussing.... You shouldn't do that, guys... My victory... precisely a victory, not a draw!!! I want Soroka white to be credited with it, he really wanted this!
With frank confessions, Your landless colleague

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mals
I don't know who was playing, but allow me to remark.
Kash, do you remember what you answered to this post:
/topic/at/308115/
The situation is similar as two peas in a pod.
Your answer.

This is a tournament, not a market where you can bargain. If you came up with such rules, then let's follow them. I said that similar situations could occur, but you yourself said sorry, we won't change the rules. So this is reaping what you sowed, no offense meant.
And if the AC decides to replay the game, that will go against the rules. For example, in this game, what could have happened next?
Player B gives a restart to player A due to a block. After the restart, player A discovers on day 4 that he has only 1 road to the Griffin Conservatory. He asks for a restart. According to moral rules, player B should give it, hmm... but what if he doesn't??
What is this haggling? Rules are rules.

To prevent this in the playoffs - change the rules for the tournament.

Kash - what was it about the action that you didn't like? Because according to your rules a restart is forbidden, and a person played by the rules????

P.S. I don't want to offend anyone and I don't know who was playing, just an interesting situation.

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The game was mine! I played in the tournament with Soroka white. If you're still interested, I can send the saves. I don't like Soroka white's behavior. We played, I beat him with a worse setup than his, in my opinion. I would have also given him a restart, and any decent person would have given a restart for a block, even if it's not in the rules... Two native Strongholds throughout the entire month, I think it doesn't get any better than that, and that was on the final map... against my human town and Conflux where I was only getting money... 2 Castles against 4??? And he had the treasure zone right next to him....
And I didn't have any.... What saved me was building Angels... I took two Griffin Conservatories for a total of 3 Angels... and went to fight at 212, because I was tired of sitting around... I had to act... Since he didn't build gremlins... his fault... I told him, if he can beat those upgraded 91 Evil Eyes at 112, then it's his victory... he was daydreaming, and after coming back down to earth... he said that at 121 he could really beat them... they didn't even fight for me at 131... But he was silent as a mouse and was no longer shouting that he could make them... I chose the restarts at the beginning... then he chose them... and he also asked for autos, but I gave a restart instead and ended up in that mess with the eyes...
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and he starts to PROVE to ME that it's not a block (Victor)

friend, I didn't prove anything to you, you yourself agreed that it wasn't a block, writing, don't be stingy, give the guy a break, like what should he do... I asked, and what do they usually do in such situations? You answered - they surrender if the opponent doesn't give them a break...

okay, I gave him a break, we're playing...
I want Soroka white to be credited, he really wanted that!
I insisted on a draw - did I really want to win so much? )))))))))
and he also asked for an auto, but I gave him a break instead

he asked for an auto, I said you're in a bad situation, I offered a break - I agreed, if I hadn't given him a break, I would have crushed him.
After that, he acted like a real magpie

I didn't insult you, and only friends call me a magpie, and I like it, and for you, it's Sergey )))))

you're the one who made a fuss, by turning to Victor...

Don't judge too harshly, as it is )))))

my loss, I'm continuing in the tournament

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he said that he could really beat them on 121

I said that they would break through on the second attempt, you said - go ahead, if you beat them on 121, it's your victory...

why 121????? )))))))))))))
Drink up, then I'll refill your glass...

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I read the thread carefully, or rather, the heated discussions. And I understood each side in my own way. Vitia (Kash) as the organizer, who sincerely wants a beautiful, fair, and worthy tournament among the newcomers. And Vitaly (Gomunguls), who is right that the restarts have been chosen, and there's nothing to be done about it. Although, of course, this isn't a victory, but it's still a tournament. By the way, notice, dear Heroes players, that even this seemingly unfavorable moment in the tournament also has a positive aspect. After this incident, newcomers will be more careful and, in a way, wary of their two restarts (111 and 113). That is, when playing a tournament match, you need to not only try to get a good starting position or choose a favorable map, but also think about how not to ruin your game! P.s. By the way, regarding the block, maybe we could think about it together and see if we can actually change something? IMHO, it's necessary, because winning at the beginning of the game due to the inability to break through the only passage on the map is not a victory – it's luck.


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