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What about Luna? Grindan is also a huge cheater; mass slow on level 111, and that's it!
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Wlk777
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Wlk777
Avern
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Minimal development (Wyverns in the fort without cows), development of the Mage Guild in the secondary town up to level 4. Taking conservatories using magic. Even if there had been no Armageddon scroll, Luna could have won the battle using resurrection and a Lightning Bolt dealing 330 damage. Although of course, there could have been a lot of strategic play later where Alex apparently should have won.
Hotyun broke into the secondary town late, although the guards at the passages are not the strongest, and the starting army is quite decent. Hence the weak development - very little territory and money were claimed, not because Hotyun went for the high-tier units. And since when does extra meat hinder a mage?
Secondly, what catches the eye is the late taking of the Shield of the Ogre (+5 Def) with 42 Nomads on week 2. Moreover, Westan took it, although Luna was handling it on days 4-5 with just Flies (meanwhile, there was a well near the capital and a Dungeon with a mana doubler). And after that - such a great taking of conservatories specifically by Luna?
So Hotyun won thanks to Armageddon, and only because ATG got himself into an unfortunate position.
Javdet
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So Hotyun won thanks to the Armageddon, and only because ATG put himself in a bad spot.
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Зима 2011-12.
Зима 2011-12.
Avern
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Actually, yes. They exchanged mistakes: Hotyun gave a consul on his own territory, and ATG put the main hero in a vulnerable position.
And attacking Gretchin with fairies was risky; it might not have been a real attack, but just a feint to lure the Moon out, while the main hero was nearby with a powerful army.
Oelm
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Technically, the Chinese player performed rather averagely, so there's no point in even discussing the difference in skill. However, his line of thinking was correct. For example, I remember the Dirty - Volk game in "Might and Magic," where Kostya, for some reason, grabbed archers (given their not-so-great prospects) and also placed completely unnecessary birds.
Alex was right; the best move was to split the forces at 126 and retreat to the Treasury, specifically the Inferno Treasury, while Vale and the rogues clear out the underground one. That's how I would have played. Of course, you might lose your main castle at 127. But even so, the advantage in gold, movement points, and having two Treasuries should make a difference. The Colossus itself doesn't immediately decide the outcome (since there's no mana on the third level to use its abilities effectively), but the potential for finding gloves and boots does. And if Utopia had a +12 helmet, then Alex would have a complete advantage.
Roma also correctly noted that there was a trap with the butterflies at 124; I noticed that immediately too. The risk was losing the hero and his artifacts.
Gretchin was visible in the tavern like a main character, while Luna wasn't visible at all.
P.S.
Actually, no, the butterflies were handled well. There were only 10 hit points per stack. With experience-enhanced armor, there was no need to fear getting beaten by the dragonflies. The only thing to watch out for was the waves of death, or mass haste with angels, vivas, and dragonflies.
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Javdet
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Actually, yes. We exchanged mistakes: Hotyun gifted the Griffin Conservatory on the native respawn, and ATG set up the main hero.
And it was dangerous to attack Gretchin with fairies, what if it's not a split, but merely an imitation of a split, luring Luna onto itself, while the main hero is nearby with the power.
I didn't say killing with Luna - any scout hero can handle this with just serpents and 2 angels (if need be, angels can be taken away immediately after breaking through the respawn guard).
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Actually no, it was played fine with the butterflies. There were 10 hits per stack. With expert armor. There was no need to fear being piled on by dragonflies. Only death waves were worth fearing here, or maybe mass haste from angels-wyverns-dragonflies.
5 stacks of 4 serpents each and 1+1 angel take down the fairies. Without moralities.;)
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Зима 2011-12.
Зима 2011-12.
Avern
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The Moon has been shining brightly since the beginning, almost from day one. And for Gretchen, there's a high probability that she'll use the tactic of positioning fairies in a corner and then fleeing.
Now it's all clear, as you can see both sides, but back then, the blue side wasn't focused on Gretchen; all their thoughts were about the cons.
Now it's all clear, as you can see both sides, but back then, the blue side wasn't focused on Gretchen; all their thoughts were about the cons.
Oelm
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There is a chance to destroy it, but not for certain; you need to deal 12 hits of damage. 4 dragonflies might not be able to do that.
But it's still on the edge; the scout hero might not manage it either.
But it's still on the edge; the scout hero might not manage it either.
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Avern
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And who should break through the Earth Elemental block? It involves bringing in an army, and after breaking through the block, another hero to transport the angels, and yet another hero to reach the Gretchin, all with only 2500 gold.
Javdet
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The moon was shining from the watchtower like the main hero almost from day one. And Gretchin has a very high probability of a tactic, deploying fairies in the corner and fleeing.
It's all clearly visible now, when you can watch from both sides, but back then Blue didn't have time for Gretchin, all thoughts were on the griffins.
No arguments, we're all not robots and we make mistakes, of course. But we're watching through Alik's eyes, and he doesn't have Tactics and he doesn't know that the Chinese player has no gold for a diversion..
Sorry Alik, for washing your dirty laundry in public:D
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Зима 2011-12.
Зима 2011-12.
Avern
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No, it’s not a mistake, but a justified risk. ATG reported from the high ground that the blue team retreated to the Dungeon respawn point.
Instead, explain the confusion with the Fortress shield. Why so late and with Vestan, instead of early with Luna? :confused:
Instead, explain the confusion with the Fortress shield. Why so late and with Vestan, instead of early with Luna? :confused:
Javdet
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That's not a mistake, but a justified risk. ATG reported from the high ground that the blue team retreated to the Dungeon respawn point.
Instead, explain the confusion with the Ogre Shield. Why so late and with Westan, instead of early with Luna? :confused:
Questions for the author:D
I wrote a little higher about misunderstandings in the game, but maybe he had reasons known only to him to play that way.
I have two options - either human factor or skill. Perhaps he was afraid of losing the support units.
Regarding skill: I recently watched two videos - Pita and Kluk (thanks to him for the vod) about this game.
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Зима 2011-12.
Зима 2011-12.
Dirty_Player
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Kostya for some reason grabbed archers (given their not-so-great prospects), and also placed completely unnecessary birds.
And what about Luna? Grindan is also quite the cheater, Mass Slow on 111 and that's it!
And how will Mass Slow help Grindan, for example, when taking a minimal conservative on 111?
Dirty_Player
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The chance of Grindstone appearing when playing as another faction is small; more useful items appear more often. You also need something else in addition to Grindstone (like potions, for example); Grindstone alone isn't always that effective.
Oelm
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2 air elementals and 1 psychic. More than enough, and there was enough money. In that game, Luna also gained intelligence if she hadn't taken archery.
IMHO, Luna is much stronger than Grindan, especially since mass earth can be effective even at level 5.
IMHO, Luna is much stronger than Grindan, especially since mass earth can be effective even at level 5.
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