Мафия 9. Mage Valley — Mafia

Вегтам

16 years ago

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I thought the city was disproportionately strong here. Too many defenses. Block, 2.5 healers, protection, kamikaze, and a status effect unit – that’s too much.

All the defense effects were initially weaker; I changed them based on Zubr's suggestion.

Drnik

16 years ago

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It was an interesting Mafia game; I'm sorry I didn't have time to participate. I'm quite disappointed, but it was still interesting to watch, and I guessed a few roles correctly.

WhiteLizard

16 years ago

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Hooray!! The townswomen rule!
Tsu, hey, didn't I help the town win?! :smile04:

Rnya, well, in general, it's a pity that I didn't have time to chat and have some fun) but as I already said, the atmosphere is very good, but it's quite difficult:smile43: I still haven't figured out all the roles (silly lizard):D
And the mafias were cunning and insidious:O (my school =p, but they quickly scratched each other and something else, although I'm not upset, it's their own fault, burn them all!)

now I was an Animagus, who constantly risked his life. Fortunately, I survived.

Thanks, by the way, it wasn't in vain that I invited you for tea:smile43: But I couldn't come myself, because I was wandering around... uh, girls and guys)but I still came, just not here...

Hooray, let's have a feast! and we'll dance on the embers until morning! ^__^
I wish everyone lots of delicious experiences and bright treats! %)

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Zybr

16 years ago

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Hello everyone. Let's get straight to the point, let's talk about what's important:)

Did my modkill upset you? Were you embarrassed?

Not at all. If anything, Kyle didn't fully utilize his role:)
And in general, we're talking about humanity now. But those who do everything for the sake of winning probably wouldn't understand:)

Regarding Zubr: he has already played several games, and he wanted to play himself. To deprive him of the game because of my mistake would be simply outrageous.

Thanks. I understood that:) By the way, I also went to kill you for the same reason, because you didn't die right away:)
But, you used me with Host!))) I really thought he was on your team. And Magnus ruined all my plans:( First, I rushed to defend him, I feel a little guilty, and then I started to think...

Then why didn't you shout about the modkill to everyone who said: I think he's the one?

Why should we shout? You were both good at revealing each other's roles:)
Although Tako is great (in a really good sense, without any irony:)
Further discussion on this topic is pointless. I just expressed my opinion as one of the parties. P.S. Kyle's mistake, in my opinion, is ultimately beneficial for the town, because it confused the cards for both us and his mafia.

I think it would have been better to immediately grant immunity from executions and killings until the end of the game.

Coming from you, that sounds especially impressive:)

In the future, is a PREDICTION about a status/aura considered revealing a role or not? That is, is it a violation of the rules?

In my opinion, using the terminology of the game cannot be unequivocally defined. I would also ban hints about one's own roles, because the town is an unorganized community! That's the whole point. And if everyone reveals themselves to each other (even with hints) in 1-2 days, it won't be a game anymore.

As for Ara, Cash really didn't tell anyone about it. I even thought that Ara was killed as a strong player.

If I, in turn, had made an ND against Kyle, I would have killed him, and I would have remained. Cash, if we ever play in the same mafia again and we have different opinions about who to target, then when it's your turn to make an ND, do what you ultimately think is right, and when it's my turn, I will do what I ultimately decide is right. If my opinion is different from yours, that doesn't mean it doesn't have the right to exist.

Hermy, you're wrong:) The decision about who to kill is initially reached collectively. It's just that often someone makes a suggestion, which others support. Well, and there's also an unspoken rule (the GM answered the mafia like this) - the head of the mafia has the final say.
And regarding who goes to kill - the situation is the same. Either collectively, or someone volunteers. There is no order. Your candidacy was apparently suggested because you hadn't killed anyone yet - you were given a chance to try. I think that's how it was:)

It seems to me that the mafia can only win if they don't fight each other and agree on joint actions.

But the atmosphere is great. I would gladly play with such an atmosphere again.

+1 Sometimes, all that needs to be done is to put a signature under Kyle's words in agreement:) I'll add something because it's been bothering me. The mafia could have won if the town had been more modest (I'm not talking about the activity of writing posts;)), and the NDs had been... in moderation, I think.

No, in my opinion, the balance is perfect, the previous mafias were easy for the mafia. And this one is just right.

Unfortunately, I disagree with you, Hermy:) In the previous mafia, for example, the town missed all its chances.

All protection effects were initially weaker, I changed them based on Zubr's suggestion.

That's true.

And a little about my own feelings.
The atmosphere is really beautiful. A big thank you to the GM for the game itself, you could feel the work he put into creating the roles, selecting the pictures, etc. In general, well done.
From the GM's side, I didn't notice any minuses, except for not mentioning my additional clue.

Well, in general, thank you everyone.

Wedma

16 years ago

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In my opinion, using the game's terminology is not a good idea. I would also ban hints about players' roles, because a town is not an organized community! That's the whole point. And if everyone reveals themselves to each other (even with hints) within 1-2 days, it won't be a game anymore.

If THIS becomes a rule, the ratio of town to mafia will be 3: *infinity*.

"Town is not an organized community" - initially. Its task is to organize itself, understand who needs to be trusted and who doesn't.
Don't believe me, read the rules of real-life Mafia games on Wikipedia: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мафия_(игра)
Admitting and truthfully lying is another aspect of the game that you, Zubr, are probably not familiar with and therefore reject as heresy.
Burn the witch!:D

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Kyle

16 years ago

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Wedma

If THIS becomes the rule, then the ratio of town to mafia will be 3:infinity.

"Town is an unorganized community" - initially. Its task is to organize, understand who can be trusted and who cannot.
If you don't believe me, read the rules of real-life Mafia games on Wikipedia: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мафия_(игра)
Confessing and truthfully lying is another aspect of the game...

Then let's remove the clues and turn the game into a purely psychological one! Is that what you're trying to achieve?

Personally, I don't really enjoy playing a purely psychological Mafia game (this is my subjective opinion). If someone likes it, then go ahead and create a topic... :)

But if we leave the clues, then your suggestion is :smile18:.

Wedma

16 years ago

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Clues + the ability to claim to be anyone – a perfect combination for a forum.)) After a couple of games, we should definitely try this kind of Mafia game.

Added 1 minute ago
Okay, this discussion doesn't belong in this thread. I've already reflected my opinion in the rating. Vegtam is a wonderful GM. It was very interesting.

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Kash

16 years ago

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Hermy, you're wrong :) The decision about who to eliminate is initially made collectively. It just often happens that someone makes a suggestion, which others support. Also, there's an unspoken rule (as the GM explained to the mafia) - the final word belongs to the mafia boss.
And regarding who goes to kill - the situation is the same. Either collectively, or someone volunteers. There is no order. Your candidacy was apparently suggested because you hadn't killed anyone yet - you were given a chance to try. That's how it was, I think :)

Not quite...
Well, I admit, it became clear that Hermy would be eliminated... And there was a chance that Kyle would be the one - so why kill him, he's going to die anyway... :) It was a gambit, if you understand. It took a lot of effort to send someone to kill Hermy, but it was all by mutual agreement. It seems it worked - we killed two mafia members with one blow. Then I really made a mistake when I suggested out loud that Kyle was a demonologist. The evidence didn't seem convincing to the town, unfortunately :D

Evidence + the ability to claim to be anyone - a perfect combination for the forum.))

I agree with that, there's no rule violation in theory - claim to be whoever you want with hints, just do it more carefully so that the mafia doesn't read your roles. For example, I didn't know the roles of TaKo and Hos, but after such explicit "hints" from the Witch, everything fell into place.
The town was lucky with Kyle's absent-mindedness :) We weren't so lucky, we were forced to take this into account, and we couldn't help but get involved in the mafia war. In short, it was an unpleasant blunder for us. I'll find it, somewhere we and Zu discussed this at the very beginning...
Aha, here it is. This is how it went:

Zybr (00:13:12 25/10/2009)
Kyle (00:07:31 25/10/2009)
now the main thing is that it loads for me..
Kyle (00:12:10 25/10/2009)
Luchik - Aura is bad
Kyle (00:12:25 25/10/2009)
damn.....

Zybr (00:13:12 25/10/2009)
:-D

Zybr (00:13:15 25/10/2009)
we're lucky)

Kash (00:14:18 25/10/2009)
yeah)

Kash (00:14:46 25/10/2009)
they now know that you know

Zybr (00:15:37 25/10/2009)
aha

Kash (00:16:39 25/10/2009)
they will kill you

Kash (00:16:44 25/10/2009)
that's bad =)

...

Zybr (00:29:31 25/10/2009)
damn, how unlucky he guessed with the window

Zybr (00:29:34 25/10/2009)
he ruined everything

Kash (00:29:40 25/10/2009)
I agree

Kash (00:29:56 25/10/2009)
he's to blame and he screwed us up. It would have been better if he was a town member))

Zybr (00:30:01 25/10/2009)
:-D

And this blunder had a significant impact on the game. In general, please be more careful in the future..

Kash (00:35:48 25/10/2009)
will you tell Hermy?

Zybr (00:35:58 25/10/2009)
he's not here

Kash (00:36:05 25/10/2009)
then write in the off-topic ;)

Zybr (00:36:10 25/10/2009)
:-D

Zybr (00:36:13 25/10/2009)
it's a lot to write)

Kash (00:36:15 25/10/2009)
just don't mess it up!

Zybr (00:36:22 25/10/2009)
okay

Zybr (00:36:25 25/10/2009)
I won't write)))

Zybr (00:36:27 25/10/2009)
I'm afraid)

Zybr (00:38:15 25/10/2009)
I need to check the evidence on the characters I mentioned

Kash (00:38:45 25/10/2009)
yes

Kash (00:38:54 25/10/2009)
otherwise, not everyone will be marked for you

P.S. I want a mafia like that, I liked it.

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