Posts from Dwarf vs. Wingayel (Lands of Outcasts)

These conditions are a tradition for us!

I'm sure that you can win with Dwarves if you develop them properly!

If you read my previous post carefully, you'll see that I defeated not a person (a friend), but the computer! And the computer can only be defeated by a loser.

1. Without education, I won't be able to level up to 24-25!
2. Without "Retribution," what's the point of "Runic Harmony"?
3. What's the point of "Battle to the Last" if there's no guarantee that I'll get the "Rune of Resurrection"?
I think we should only take what is 100% guaranteed to work!

I read everything carefully! You were talking about your 3 victories with Orcs.

1. I think you'll level up to 25 in three months. The experience bonus from education doesn't play much of a role at such high levels. In this case, education only provides one benefit - it increases stats. But that's a huge benefit! Considering that the main stats for Dwarves are defense and magic, defense will already be high, and magic isn't that important if the Dwarf is a warrior, not a mage. So, I would sacrifice education for leadership.

2. Runic Harmony is an excellent skill. Troop leadership will be around 5, which is the maximum. Retribution is, of course, great, no doubt, but leadership is also very useful, especially against High Elves.

3. But if the Rune of Resurrection drops, you should immediately take Battle to the Last. If it doesn't drop, that's a pity, and the chances of winning decrease.

These conditions are like a tradition for us!

Heh, what is this calaberzonism... Why give the enemy an advantage at the start??? Why do you say that Wing is a cheater if there is such an obvious imbalance caused by geographical determinism :smile29:

To Avenger. I used to beat him with Orcs because, before your post, only dragons and unicorns reached me from the first turn, and after that, dancing skeletons, fairies, and trees were added to them! So you understand what kind of service you did for me.

To Ingvar the Tall. I don't quite agree with you; I think we are in equal geographical conditions, and I will compensate for the rest with skill.

So, here's the plan:
Helmar (although it's harder to start with him, his ability will be more useful in the final battle)
Perfect Knowledge of Runes, Greatest Rune
1. Skilled Light: Righteous Fury, Storm Wind;
2. Skilled Attack: Tactics, Attacking Guard, Retribution;
3. Developed Leadership: Runic Harmony
4. Permanent Luck: Magic Resistance, Dwarven Luck
5. Skilled Defense: If there is a resurrection rune, then Evasion, Fight to the Last, if not, then Endurance, Defensive Guard.

It's a pity to sacrifice education for the sake of leadership.

To the Avenger. I used to beat him with Orcs because, before your post, only dragons and unicorns reached me from the first turn, and after that, dancers, fairies, and trees were added to them! So you can understand what kind of favor you did for me!

And if you also suggest to your opponent to equip +1 speed sandals, then you're really done for)))

I don't quite agree with you; I think we're in equal geographical conditions.

Sorry, but you're talking nonsense right now))) Whoever starts at the bottom has 50% FEWER movement points!!! Moreover, you're going to play as Helmar - and it's very difficult for a gnome (NOT Ingvar) to develop!!! + The opponent runs around his lands (he will have a bonus!!!)
So you have 3 options:

1) Play with a hero; if it's Hafiz, you're more likely to win...
2) Play as the Reds; if it's Hafiz, you're more likely to win...
3) You can just lose immediately!!!

I didn't know there would be a penalty!?!?!?!?!?????
Well, that makes it even more interesting!

Let's see, maybe I'll choose Ingvar!
I see you don't have much faith in the dwarves, but I think they are the strongest race and I'll try to prove it tomorrow!

I don't know who will win, but I'll try to upload a replay!

I wonder if you can save replays in online games?

What's the point? He'll beat you like a dog. You should pick Ingvar instead.

It seems you don't have much faith in the Dwarves, but I think they are the strongest race, and I'll try to prove it tomorrow!

I believe in Ingvar - he's my favorite Dwarf hero. Without him, it's difficult for the Dwarves to get started.

The truth is: 1) Wingu has a very tough start... I would just rush him with a fast development of Hafiz.
2) He constantly lacks wood and gold....
3) At the start, he has a weak army; he can't clear out many units!!! (For example, Golems, Mountain Guards, or Dryads)
4) If an Elf starts at the bottom, he has a -40% penalty, but if he starts at the top, he has +20% (home territory) ----> so think about it...

In general, I see that you, Mish-gan, are not a very good diplomat... You gave him all the places that you could have turned into an advantage.
And what if he gets Ossir? Boom - he has a very fast start, and you're done...

I'm 80% sure you've already lost.
1) Change at least one thing (as I mentioned above).
2) Pick Ingvar or Hafiz.

Then I'm sure the chances will be more fair!

After reading this topic and Mish-gan's posts, I'm almost certain that the neutral creatures will win. :)
P.S. Sorry for the off-topic post, I couldn't resist. :)

Snowball, that's very witty! But maybe you could offer some advice? Your opinion is highly valued, and everyone knows how to criticize. This person is asking for help.

After reading this topic and Mish-gan's posts, I'm almost certain that the neutral creatures will win.

:smile08: Just kidding, I've been laughing for an hour :D

I didn't know there would be a penalty!?!?!?!?!?????
Well, that makes it even more interesting!

Let's see, maybe I'll choose Ingvar!
I see you don't have much faith in the Dwarves, but I think they are the strongest race and I'll try to prove it tomorrow!

If you follow my conditions (you start with blue against red), the opponent doesn't need to take Wingael - Ossir is enough.

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I don't know who will win against whom, but I'll try to upload the replay!

I wonder if you can save replays in online games?

You can save them - just like in a regular game.

Snowball, very witty! But maybe you could suggest something?
Your opinion is highly valued, and everyone knows how to criticize. This person is asking for help.

Okay.
I suggest Mishgan read the manual for version 3.0; it contains a lot of interesting and useful information.
P.S. A few words about what I think about this topic (from the perspective of someone playing as Elves). Playing against Dwarves under these conditions is possible even with Talanaar (provided he has decent stats), as Dryads, Dancers, Unicorns, and Dragons have enough initiative without the Winged Boots bonus. I have already written about my thoughts on the "imba Winged Boots."
P.S.S. What was the outcome of the 2nd "battle of the century" (the first was against Orcs), and will there be a 3rd "battle of the century" (against Mages, for example)?

Good.
I advise Mishgan to read the manual for version 3.0; it contains a lot of interesting and useful information.
P.S. A few words about what I think about this topic (from the perspective of someone playing as Elves). Playing against Dwarves under these conditions is possible even with Tal'anar (provided he has decent stats), as Dryads, Dancers, Unicorns, and Dragons have enough initiative without the Winged bonus. I have already written about my thoughts on the "imba Winged" unit.
P.S.S. What was the outcome of the 2nd "battle of the century" (the first was against Orcs), and will there be a 3rd "battle of the century" (against Mages, for example)?

I have read the manual; it's informative, but nothing concrete!

I haven't played the "battle of the century" against Orcs yet, but it's coming soon!

There might be battles against Mages and other factions, but I prefer Dwarves, who are (read below) stronger than Elves!

And let's not flood the thread!:smile10:

Despite the negativity from some forum trolls, I want to say that I did the right thing by creating this thread! Now, let's get down to business: The battle TOOK PLACE! Me - Helmar (25). I couldn't develop to 100% as I had planned, but I did get the main perks! As I said, starting with Helmar is not easy: I suffered heavy losses of warriors, harpooners, and bears, and I even managed to lose a few dragons when taking "Utopia." The castle development also went very badly, as the key mines were occupied by damn mages and druids! Build:
Perfect Knowledge of Runes
Greatest Rune
1. Expert Leadership: Runic Harmony
2. Expert Offense: Tactics, Attacking Hird, Inspiration
3. Permanent Luck: Soldier's Luck, Deadly Luck
4. Expert Defense
5. Expert Magic: Righteous Fury, Storm Wind
The main artifacts: 6 dragon artifacts, ring of swiftness (10%)

Friend - Wingael (25). As I understand it, he also didn't develop to 100% as he wanted, but he seems to have gotten the main things he wanted. Because he got Ossir + Logistics as his second hero, his start was very fast. Accordingly, in the endgame, his army exceeded mine in number, especially in levels 7, 6, and 5. Build:
Expert Avenger
Rain of Arrows
Enchanted Arrow
1. Expert Logistics
2. Expert Leadership
3. Expert Offense: Tactics, Ranged Attack
4. Permanent Luck: Soldier's Luck, Luck of the Road, Elven Luck
5. Expert Magic: Righteous Fury, Storm Wind (it's clear who he was afraid of  and he was right to be)
The main artifacts: a complete set of dwarf artifacts, ring of swiftness (20%)

In the endgame, I managed to lure him into the Dungeon (in return, I allowed him to take a level from one of the underground trees).

I won't describe the final battle; those who want to can watch it.

The main conclusion:
It seems to me, and practice has shown, that with any build of any elf, a Dwarf will always be stronger, and he will be stronger primarily because of RUNES and his survivability (defense + health), and that's a FACT.

If anyone wants to argue, please do so with full descriptions, arguments, and a REPLAY!

I want to note that, in addition to the satisfaction, I received a box of Slavutych (we decided to bet before the game to increase responsibility for the result).

P.S. Friend, don't be offended, just practice! Or better yet, create a thread on the site and discuss it with knowledgeable people!

Thank you to "Avenger" and "Ingvar Vysoky" for their helpful advice!

I don't understand why Wingael invested in logistics on a small map that you've been playing for 3 full months, when it's possible to conquer the entire map without logistics in 2 months. And the lack of defense for Wingael in a battle with at least 10 weeks' worth of troop reinforcements is just noobish. And there are more units than there are early-game castle upgrades.
I don't know what your armies look like in the replay, but 20 monsters of level 7 and 50 of level 6 is just a mindless mess, in which the Gnome shouldn't have any equals, unless the opponent has Dark Magic.