Dwarf vs. Wingayel (Lands of Outcasts) — Fortress

Mish-gan

16 years ago

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I created this thread because I believe that a Dwarf can defeat Wingard, the cheater. Assuming the battle takes place on the Outlands map, with a development level of 24-25, and the endgame occurs on the 1st week of the 4th month!

I ask everyone who cares about the fate of the Dwarves to share useful advice and suggestions!
1. Which hero from the Dwarf Faction can stand against Wingard, the cheater?
2. Which skills need to be developed?
3. Which artifacts are most necessary?
4. What is the battle tactic in the endgame?
5. And anything else that might help!
Wingard, the cheater's characteristics (level 24):
Master Avenger
Arrow Storm, Enchanted Arrow
- Master Chaos Magic
- Master Offense: Tactics + Archery + Fire Arrows
- Master Leadership
- Permanent Luck
- Master Mechanics: Rapid-Fire Ballista + Enchanted Ballista

Wingard, the cheater-2's characteristics (level 25):
Master Avenger
Arrow Storm, Enchanted Arrow
- Master Light Magic: Righteous Fury
- Master Offense: Tactics + Archery
- Master Leadership: Rally Troops + Haste Aura
- Permanent Luck
- Master Logistics: Scouting + Keen Mind

My opinion:1. Ingvar (level 25)
2. Perfect Rune Knowledge, Greater Rune;
2.1. Master Light Magic: Righteous Fury (low initiative - needs to be accelerated);
2.2. Master Defense: Resistance, Defensive Aura;
2.3. Master Offense: Tactics, Attacking Aura, Retribution;
2.4. Permanent Luck: Magic Resistance, Dwarven Luck;
2.5. Developed Leadership: Rune Harmony.
3. Preferably Dwarf artifacts, a Ring of Initiative, and something for offense.
4. Endgame tactic: huddle together (with auras) – defend, if it's Chaos, then hope for Dwarven Luck and Magic Resistance, General Haste, General Retribution, Resurrection, Divine Retribution, and of course, RUNES.

Thank you in advance, let's get started!

Alex_R

16 years ago

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My opinion: 1. Inga (Carli Ingvar) (level 25) 2. Perfect knowledge of runes, the greatest rune; 2.1. Masterful Chaos Magic: fire - secrets of chaos - pyrokinesis 2.2. Masterful Defense: evasion, resistance, resilience 2.3. Masterful Education: ....(preferably in mentoring) 2.4. Advanced Luck: magic resistance, dwarven luck; 2.5. Masterful Enchantment ..... Priority should be given to artifacts that increase magic power, and at all costs, find the Phoenix Cloak with +50% fire damage (fortunately, it's not that rare). And, of course, Armageddon should be available. If you're leveling up Inga, you won't have problems with runes. If you're leveling up other heroes, look for a rune that provides resistance to 2 random elements. And incorporeality will also be useful. Use the hero to cast Armageddon, and have your troops wait on your territory, preferably focusing all attacks on Unicorns. After a series of Armageddons, Ents may survive, but they are much slower and not as dangerous, so you can leave them for last. If you managed to level up mentoring, then before the main hero attacks, prepare several kamikaze mages to thin out Wingael's archers or use Armageddon (if available). P.S. There is also an option with the School of Darkness, but it is very difficult for dwarves to acquire.

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Mish-gan

16 years ago

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Have you tried this tactic already? If so, against whom and what was the result?

Added 57 minutes later
I thought Dwarves aren't magical, will Armageddon be strong enough? Will they manage to defeat me before I can act? Especially considering that almost all of Wingard's troops will strike first?

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Alex_R

16 years ago

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Mish-gan

Have you already tried this tactic? If so, against whom and what was the result?

Ora does this almost against half of the heroes in duel mode! And it's quite successful!

Mish-gan

Added after 57 minutes [/U]I thought Dwarves aren't mages, will Armageddon be strong enough? Will they manage to defeat me before I can act? Especially considering that almost all of Wingard's troops will strike first?

Dwarves are mages; this is evident from the starting skills of most heroes, as well as from the probability of obtaining core stats. On average, a Dwarf develops along the lines of 10-10-15-15. Armageddon will be quite effective due to education.
It's useless to fight Wingard's first turn head-on. His stacks will still move earlier, and counting on a 3-month army, they will hit very hard (and with the "Enmity" spell).
This is only possible if you manage to find artifacts like a staff that reduces the opponent's initiative by 20% and get a ring with +20 initiative for yourself; then you can count on going first – then you can confidently switch to the Light skill and even develop Helmar

Мститель

16 years ago

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Against the Armageddon tactic:
As I understand it, everything is calculated based on the fact that the damage from Armageddon is not dealt to dragons, titans, and priests.
Apparently, elves should add these guys to their bloodline and try to eliminate them with the first strike.

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Ингвар Высокий

16 years ago

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Absolutely correct – you should choose Ingvar))) The tactic is basically the same (if you want to, you can read about it on the forum). In my opinion, he's just an overpowered hero for the Fortress faction (easy start, good starting unit, large army + excellent defense skill!!!!:smile44: :rolleyes: )

I don't think you'll have any major problems, just don't start with Runes, and also take Light.

Мститель

16 years ago

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Even better, suggest that your opponent choose a different hero (not Wingael), and then, in comparison, there will really be no major problems.

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Mish-gan

16 years ago

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The problem is that he takes Wingard and boasts that HE IS INVINCIBLE!

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The battle will be on Saturday (for the whole day), so I want to prepare a strategy in advance!

So, I have two choices: 1. Ingvar: go into Chaos, Sorcery, Education, Logistics (Sharp Mind), Defense 2. Ingvar (Helmar): go into Haven, Defense, Attack, Leadership, and Luck

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Alex_R

16 years ago

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Avenger

Against the Armageddon tactic:
As I understand it, everything is calculated based on the fact that the damage from Armageddon is not dealt to dragons, Titans, and Priests.

Well, this is a common situation, but 15% from luck and 15% from defense also reduce the damage (probability of the spell taking effect + if the hero moves later than the bears, pikemen, and berserkers in the first round, you can try to target fire immunity with a rune; if necessary, this can be done in subsequent rounds).
By the way, I didn't claim that Armageddon is a universal tactic; it's just one of the real options against a cheaty Wingael. In other cases, it's preferable to have a more developed hero and more units than Wingael.

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Mish-gan

16 years ago

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Ingvar the Tall

Absolutely, you should take Ingvar!))) The tactics are basically the same (if you want to read more, check the forum). In my opinion, he's just an overpowered hero for the Dwarves (easy start, good starting unit, large army + great defense skill!!!!:smile44: :rolleyes: )

I don't think you'll have any major problems, just don't start with Runes, and take Light.

1. Which skills are you developing? (I already understand that you're focusing on Defense and Light) assuming you're at level 23?
2. Which creatures are in your army?
3. What's your battle tactic in the endgame?

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Alex_R

Well, this is a common situation, but 15% from Luck and 15% from Defense also reduce damage (probability of a spell working + if the hero moves after the Berserkers in the first round, you can try to target Fire Immunity with a Rune, or you can do it in later rounds if necessary.
By the way, I'm not claiming that Armageddon is a universal tactic, it's just one of the viable options against a cheaty Winghael. In other cases, it's better to have a more developed hero and more troops than Winghael.

If you're going with the tactic codenamed "Armageddon" :D, maybe it makes sense to take "Keen Mind"?:confused:

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Alex_R

16 years ago

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Mish-gan

1. Ingvar: chaos, wizardry, education, logistics (sharp mind), defense

Why is Logistics in such a build? Luck, Light, or the machines would be better.
Logistics with (sharp mind) will work if you manage to take the School of Darkness.

That's exactly the problem—he takes Wingael and brags that HE IS INVINCIBLE!

Take a Necromancer and bring him back down to earth.
Judging by the game conditions

the endgame takes place in week 1 of month 4!

The Necro will build an imba army. And anyway, you'll reach the Dragon Utopia before him, build up your Castle, gather artifacts, and can have some fun converting monsters from neutral/AI towns.
And for the connoisseurs, you could take Haven and train 200+ paladins over 3 months, who will kill absolutely everything.

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Mish-gan

16 years ago

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Alex_R

Take a Necromancer and send him to the ground.

The whole point is that I want to make them gnomes!

Do you think it's not possible?

Мститель

16 years ago

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I agree with Alex R; take Erling and go for Chaos - Armageddon. Erling is the best option in this case due to his starting spellcasting skills. Moreover, priests who are protected from Armageddon become stronger, and together with similar Titans and Dragons, they will form a good survival team! Plus, there are runes that provide protection against elements. That is: Skilled Spellcasting Skilled Chaos - Fire Power - Pyrokinesis Defense - Fight to the Last + Resurrection Rune Luck - Soldier's Luck Either Education or Light?! - Protection from fire, but I haven't tested the second option; theoretically, it looks good!

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Mish-gan

16 years ago

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Avenger

I agree with Alex R, take Erling and go for Chaos - Armageddon.
Erling is the best option in this case due to his starting spellcasting.
Moreover, priests who are protected from Armageddon are strengthened, and together with similar Titans and Dragons, they will form a good survival team! + there are indeed runes that protect against the elements.
That is:
Skilled Spellcasting
Skilled Chaos - powerful fire - pyrokinesis
Defense - fight to the last + resurrection rune
Luck - soldier's luck
Or Education, or Light?! - protection from fire, but I haven't tested the second option, it looks good in theory!

Well, if even you say there's a chance, then I'll try your option! I can already imagine the "hell" I'm going to unleash on Wingael, now the main thing is to level up spellcasting!

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Alex_R

16 years ago

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Mish-gan

now the main thing is to level up your magic skills!

Get artifacts that boost magic and remember the Phoenix Cloak. Rings with -2 luck or -2 morale can also be useful. And it will be really powerful if you find the Ice Shield, which reduces fire damage by 50%. If your opponent has it, you're done for :smile04: The shield itself is a mid-tier artifact, so you can find it quite often either in the starting area or in the market, especially if you start as the red faction! By the way, a battle in the castle will be in your favor, whether it's an assault or a defense (defense with an extra shield tower is better).

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