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Please, be reasonable, thank you.
Stop whining! Ask your colleagues who have used Light, gather feedback, and you'll see for yourself. And please, no more tales about time; the minimum time required is so small that it's almost funny.

However, the template issue is more complicated... as I understand it, people are determined to use 8mm6.

However, to increase the quorum, the organizers may be willing to accommodate some players on this issue.

In St. Petersburg, the situation is the same. Therefore, anyone who wants to participate in our event and only knows CM should inform the organizers in advance.
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Stop whining! Ask your colleagues who have used Light, gather feedback, and you'll see for yourself. And please, no more tales about time; it requires so little time that it's almost funny.

However, the template is a more complex issue... as I understand it, people are determined to use 8mm6.

However, to increase the quorum, the organizers may be willing to accommodate some players on this issue.

In St. Petersburg, the situation is the same. Therefore, anyone who wants to participate and only knows CM should inform the organizers in advance.

I don't want to ask anyone. I'm in, playing SOD 2sm4d(3). That's it.
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I don't want to ask anyone))) Just note that I'll be playing SOD 2sm4d(3). That's all.
Keba! Not so long ago, you wrote about a player who took 30-40 minutes to make a move. This is possible in SOD, but not in TE-lite/TE. When playing with 4000+400 (I don't know what the limit will be in Moscow, but they play with this limit in the bay), it will be impossible to take that long, as time passes even during battles with neutrals. He'll make 2-3 moves and will move quickly, within 400 seconds :smile29:. I think that in Moscow, they understand that it's not worth dragging the game on indefinitely and will make sure that the "Chess clock" option works.
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I don't want to ask anyone))) Just note it down, I'll be playing SOD 2sm4d(3), that's all.
You won't get anywhere like that.
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I don't want to ask anyone))) Just note it down, I'll be playing on Sod2sm4d(3), that's all.
Kindergarten:cool:
In the first round, I think you'll easily be matched with Vitalik - it will be a real match of the round. And after that, you'll have to negotiate with opponents individually.
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Keba! Just recently, you wrote about a player who took 30-40 minutes to make a move. This is possible in SOD, but not in TE-Lite/TE. When playing with a 4000+400 limit (I don't know what the limit will be in Moscow, but they play with this limit in the base), it will be impossible to take that long, as time passes even during battles with neutrals. He'll make 2-3 moves and then start playing quickly, within 400 seconds :smile29:.
I think that in Moscow, they understand that it's not worth dragging the game on indefinitely and will make sure that the "Chess Clock" option works.

That sounds tempting, you hit the nail on the head. Apparently, there's an exception to the rules, and it happens sometimes. There are only 1-2 such players, and the rest are forgiven because they've improved.... I'll definitely try TE-Lite later....

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You won't be able to sell that elephant :)

If only I had one;), I'm just a mortal...

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Kindergarten:cool:
Are you up for a battle this Sunday morning in SOD? I'll show you what kindergarten is like, or you'll make me switch to TE-Lite...:p
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Shall we have a battle this Sunday morning in SoD? I'll show you what a real game looks like, or will you make me switch to those light units...:p
I've added something there, I think it's even more appealing to you. :p
I'd be happy to play with you, but I can't promise anything for this Sunday, as I have a lot of unfinished business with the tournaments, and I also want to get some sleep:confused:
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One day is enough to get completely used to TE-light and stop worrying about the fact that hieroglyphs appear there.
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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One day is enough to get completely used to TE-light and stop worrying about the hieroglyphs that appear there.
There are still many days left until the tournament.

What hieroglyphs are you talking about?
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For example, when you enter the magic garden, the inscription says “500” and then there’s Chinese text.
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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For example, when you enter the magic garden, the text says - 500 - and then it's in Chinese.
This means someone has a poorly installed Russian localization. I have the English version, and there are no hieroglyphs. That's what I would recommend to you.

You can ask your friends who installed Light on the Russian version.

These kinds of issues aren't really problems.
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Still, I think it would be right for the organizers of the qualifying rounds to at least decide on a template and version for the final. And without any "by agreement." Otherwise, people will qualify for SoD and CM, and then they'll have to play on TE and 8mm6. Regarding Moscow: It would be very good if the organizer posted the rules (template, version...???) - the regulations (best of 1 or 2 games???...) - the deadlines (???) and so on for everyone to see. And somehow separate what has already been decided from what is being discussed. Otherwise, you sign up, but you don't know where to play, you don't know what to play... Maybe we'll have to play poker around the clock for a week? Then we should decide on the prize money right away. Here's how Eric does it in Michurinsk - short and clear:
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The tournament will be held on version SoD 3.2, according to the rules of the HeroesWorld resource, using the 2SM4d(3) team template.
Tournament dates: September 25-27, 2009 (Friday-Sunday).
Regulations: 5 rounds of the Swiss system, from 12 to 20 participants.
Location: Michurinsk, computer club "Legion".
I don't like the 8mm6 template; playing on it doesn't bring me any joy, so if this has already been decided, I'm withdrawing my application. And the slim chances of HW and HP players making it to the final when playing on 8mm6 quickly drop to zero.
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Still, I think it would be right for the organizers of the qualifiers to at least decide on the template and version for the final. And without "by mutual agreement." Otherwise, people will qualify on SoD and SM, and then have to play on TE and 8mm6.

Peter, to be honest, the organizers have practically resolved the version issue: TE-lite. Essentially, it's neither one nor the other — neither SoD nor TE. But there's no other way to hold a joint tournament; everyone has to make some concessions.
The reason all qualifiers need to be completed by January is precisely so that the rules can be discussed, determined by a simple majority vote.
For each disputed point — a vote by the finalists.
Perhaps some will not be satisfied with the final arrangement and will drop out of the game.
But our Heroes world is split by a disparity in rules and versions; there's no other way.

And from January to May — 4 months for a player to prepare for the final rules. Possibly — there will be 3-5 templates, and tweaking templates, discarding obviously unfavorable ones.
Regarding Moscow. It would be very good if the organizer posted the rules (template, version...???) — the regulations (best of 1 or 2 wins...???) — deadlines (???) and so on for everyone to see. And somehow separated what has already been decided from what is being discussed.

I think they'll post it soon. There's just a chance to attract both old stars of Ande and Joker's caliber, the conditional "middle generation of tops" — Stinger and Marcon's generation, and new top players — a conditional Pete's generation.
A lot of work is being done in Moscow; there's a chance this will turn out to be the best qualifier of all.
A big request — don't give up; it's better to help the organizers however you can.
Including with suggestions; I've already seen that you have a good head for organizational planning.
I don't like the 8mm6 template; playing on it doesn't bring me joy, so if this is already decided, I'm withdrawing my application. Besides, the phantom chances of HeroesWorld and HeroesPortal players making it to the final when playing on 8mm6 rapidly approach zero.

Just to discuss, say MM6, SM, and a third template, neutral (maybe a fix-map; World, Portal, Bay, and Chaos players would be in roughly equal positions).
In general, it's better to discuss everything, including in ICQ.
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Peter, to be honest, the organizers have practically resolved the version issue – TE-Lite. In essence, it's neither ours nor theirs – neither SoD nor TE. But there's no other way to hold a joint tournament; everyone has to make some concessions.
Nagan, let the players decide, not just one or two people, which template and version to use.
Right now, I see three people in favor of TE and 8mm, and three in favor of SoD and CM (Vitalik, Keba, Pit) – and those who are in favor of SoD are active, constantly playing players. In my opinion, why bring out old dinosaurs from dusty closets? They're unlikely to remember how to move the knights :)
Let everyone who wants to play in Moscow get together and decide for themselves. Otherwise, "the organizers have decided everything for you" – in my opinion, that's not democratic :)
By the way, many people from Ukraine told me the same thing about the Michurinsky qualifier – they said that in Russia, there's a dictatorship and a cult of personality :) – but in Ukraine, we discussed everything together. It's like, more democratic. And not a single player had even a drop of unpleasant feelings after the meeting in Kyiv :)

P.S. Besides, as we can see from the discussions, TE-Lite has a lot of bugs, and there are still too many differences... there might be arguments later :(
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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Nagan, let the players decide, not just one or two people, which template and version to use.
Right now, I see three people in favor of TE and 8mm, and three in favor of SOD and CM (Vitalik, Keba, Pit) - and those in favor of SOD are active, regular players. In my opinion, why bring out old dinosaurs from dusty closets? They probably won't even remember how to move their units anymore.
Let everyone who wants to play in Moscow get together and decide for themselves. Otherwise, "the organizers decided everything for you" - in my opinion, that's not democratic.
By the way, many people from Ukraine told me about the Michurinsk qualifier - they said that in Russia, there's a dictatorship and a cult of personality, but in Ukraine, we discuss everything together. It's like it's more democratic. And NONE of the players had even a trace of unpleasant feelings after the meeting in Kyiv.

P.S. Besides, as we can see from the discussions, there are too many bugs in TE-Lite, and there are still too many differences... there might be disputes later.
Captain, respect for Kyiv, but don't interfere where you're not asked - we'll figure it out without you. In Kyiv, you just posted the rules for the qualifier, and the people accepted them. At least three people: Forrest, Peterius, Armageddon - you can say that they accepted the organizer's decision, even though they would have preferred to play on a different version (I think this also applies to Volodymyr).
About the dinosaurs - tone down the bragging - Andre showed at the Cities Tournament that he can still put up a good fight.
None of the participants in the Michurinsk qualifier had even a trace of unpleasant feelings after the meeting - but this didn't affect the opinion of Stinger, Yama, and me about CM.
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