DISCUSSIONS on “Rules for online games in HoMM3 and formulas for calculating player rating.” — Online Tournaments

Samurai

9/27/2009 9:46 AM UTC

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Dirty_Player

Bay was originally created as an anarchic resource where you can do anything you want. Want to swear, don't confirm games, want to play, or don't want to play... and nothing will happen for it. That's why your Tournaments very rarely reach the end. IMHO.

Outright lie! Still, keep it together; Bay was never created as an anarchic resource, and moreover, if you read a little information on the site, there is a separate topic for swearing. Or has no one ever sworn on the Hive? And moderators monitor this as much as possible, both there and here.
You're also wrong about the Tournaments; you're nitpicking and showing your weakness... as far as I remember, only 4 Tournaments haven't been played in the entire history of Bay, which is far from your false "very rarely" if you consider the total number of Tournaments.

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Dirty_Player

There are such concepts as sports ethics and sports discipline. And the fact that Marcon doesn't confirm games is because you can do anything here. On the portal, he confirms consistently. Or am I wrong?

See, this is an example of coercion, which is what I'm talking about. When a person was given freedom, he chose whether or not to confirm. By the way, if the game is worth it or there are other reasons, Sergey confirms it on Bay too!

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Avern

9/27/2009 9:47 AM UTC

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to Wlk777 - in that game, you did a great job managing your finances, and even though you were supposed to go for a secondary town, you ended up taking a third one. So, we decided that the position was equal for both of us.
But thank you for the lesson on how to resist when things aren't going your way!

Regarding the confirmation, I think the idea was to stop calculating the rating for those who don't confirm their accounts, right?

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Тяжелый случай

9/27/2009 9:57 AM UTC

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If the esteemed VBN says that it would be more convenient for him to maintain the ranking without confirmations, then let it be. Otherwise, the argument isn't worth the effort.

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Dirty_Player

9/27/2009 9:59 AM UTC

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Samurai

Blatant lie!

I started coming to the бай a year ago. There were the autumn cup - 2008, the spring cup - 2009, the selection for RP-4 and RP-3, as well as crazy races.
The crazy races didn't really end with anything.
The autumn cup was supposedly finished after an unknown amount of time, with great difficulty.
The spring cup-09 on Spider ended in a scandal, and no one wanted to play anymore.
The selection for RP-4 still hasn't been completed, with only two games left to play.
And RP-3 is just LOL! They promised to set up all the tech on July 1st. And what happened? :)
There was also the Nostalgia tournament from Volodymyr, which went great, and the interportals, which are going well due to the large number of interested people. So where is the blatant lie? I'm just writing what I see.

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Forrest

9/27/2009 10:02 AM UTC

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Dirty_Player

I don't know about others, but if my report isn't confirmed, I would take it as a sign of disrespect. Personally, I think it wouldn't be difficult for someone to quote my post and write a few lines. If I don't submit the report immediately, I try to send a link to the report in ICQ so that my opponent doesn't have to search for it for too long. I personally don't just not support this, I'm against such cancellations. IMHO, we are adults, if we sit down to play a ranked game or a tournament, we should know what we're getting into and be kind enough to confirm in case of a loss. It seems simple and logical.

I completely agree.
I think canceling the mandatory confirmation on Balumut's ladder was a mistake.

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Avern

9/27/2009 10:03 AM UTC

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Samurai - are you going to confirm the reports?

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Samurai

9/27/2009 10:09 AM UTC

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Avern

Regarding confirmation, did you want to stop calculating the rating for those who don't confirm?

Why force people with such measures? After all, nothing terrible will happen if confirmations are not needed. What's the downside? The only argument that I think is really worthwhile is what I heard from Avern: that the atmosphere on the site is very competitive, and not confirming here is a disgrace. And that's great! If that's the worldview, then there's no need to worry that the new system will change anything, and you should agree to it with a light heart.

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Avern

Samurai - will you be confirming reports?

I didn't understand the question. I almost always confirm, but there are times when I don't feel like writing something, and I'm glad that there is such an opportunity on the forum. Therefore, I would like to see it here too.

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Avern

9/27/2009 10:17 AM UTC

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And then Ostap went too far...
During the Second Punic War, when Rome was in a very difficult situation, and Hannibal with his army stood at the gates of the Eternal City, the women of Rome (both noble and common) refused to wear gold jewelry, expensive clothes (except for a dress made of simple fabric), and the right to ride in carriages around the city. They sold all of this to provide the army with everything it needed. Shortly after, the senators passed a law prohibiting luxury items during a state of emergency. In other words, the law simply confirmed what the citizens themselves had already decided. The same applies to us; confirming the report is an obligation taken on by the citizens of HW and enshrined in the forum rules.

Dura lex sed lex - The law is harsh, but it is the law!

to Samurai - in case you lose the game (which I don't wish for you), will you confirm the report or not? Sorry for being persistent.

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Samurai

9/27/2009 10:50 AM UTC

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Dirty_Player

I joined the forum about a year ago. Back then, there was the Autumn Cup 2008, the Spring Cup 2009, the qualifiers for RP-4 and RP-3, and also crazy races.
The crazy races didn't really end with anything.
The Autumn Cup was somehow finished after an unknown amount of time, but it was a struggle.
The Spring Cup 2009 on Spider ended in a scandal, and no one wanted to play anymore.
They still haven't been able to play the two remaining games in the RP-4 qualifiers.
And RP-3 is just LOL! They promised to set up all the tech on July 1st. And what happened? :)
There was also Nostalgia tournament by Volodymyr, which went great, and inter-portal tournaments, which are going well due to the large number of interested people. And where is the blatant lie? I'm just saying what I see.

You know, the crazy races did end.
The Autumn Cup was finished, so you can't say it's unfinished.
I took RP3 and the qualifiers + Spring Cup into account; in my opinion, it all comes down to one person... but I think that's off-topic.
Regarding the Spring 2009 tournament, please tell me more; I don't remember anything about it.
In any case, it's not "very rare," and it has very little to do with the confirmation systems.

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Avern

to Samurai - if you lose a match (which I don't wish for you), will you confirm the report or not? Sorry for being annoying.

I think I already answered:

I don't understand the question. I almost always confirm, but sometimes I just don't feel like writing anything, and I'm glad that the forum has this option. So I would like to see it here too.

Or is something unclear in this answer?

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Forrest

I think canceling the mandatory confirmation on the forum by Balamut was a mistake.

Anatoly, explain why!

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Дубровин Павел

9/27/2009 12:51 PM UTC

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It would be beneficial to establish a system where a game is counted if the opponent doesn't dispute the winner's report (provided that both players are registered on the World of Xeen platform, to prevent "inflated" scores). This would eliminate the need for the administrator to track unconfirmed reports.

С истиной где-то рядом...

Лето 2010.

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Dirty_Player

9/27/2009 12:57 PM UTC

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Samurai

Please tell me about the spring of 2009; I don't remember anything.

I apologize. It wasn't in the spring, but in the winter. But that doesn't change the essence.
http://forum.heroes.by/viewtopic.php?t=712&start=0
The confirmation/non-confirmation system is not relevant here. This is about the issue of blatant lies. I listed 6 tournaments that were held at the time I registered (a year ago). Only 2 out of 6 have been completed. The results of the "Бешеные гонки" (Mad Races) have not been summarized; some people count one way, and others another, so it cannot be considered finished. Currently, the Chaos, New Generation, and Autumn Cup tournaments are underway. Let's see if they will correct the statistics...

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Forrest

9/27/2009 2:53 PM UTC

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Samurai

Anatoly, please explain why!

This reduces player activity and diminishes interest in the forum as a whole.
There will be fewer reports to read.

If someone doesn't confirm, meaning they disagree, they should write (I don't confirm because:).

I'm generally surprised by people who, after spending 10 hours on a game, can only write 2-3 words in confirmation. And you want to remove even that! What is the purpose of all this? If it's for a quick calculation of the rating, it's already updated once a month anyway.

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Dirty_Player

9/27/2009 2:59 PM UTC

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I'm not going to delve into the entire history of the "Baya" section. I've taken what I've seen over the past YEAR. A year is a sufficient period to judge the current state of affairs on the resource.

The players have played all the required games, the winner is known, but that doesn't mean anything!

Known to whom? Even Forrest, as a representative of "Baya," recently wrote on HW that the winner is unknown. You clarified the situation. Even Besha sang about it in a song. There's no information about the tournament in the thread, but the winner is known. I'm laughing: D

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Wlk777

9/27/2009 3:17 PM UTC

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Forrest

This reduces player activity and diminishes interest in the forum as a whole.
There will be fewer reports to read.

What's the reasoning behind this? If someone wants to write a confirmation (even if it's no longer mandatory), explain the reasons for their defeat, or talk about their game, they will. Mandatory posts like "confirming, thank you for the game" are unlikely to significantly increase player activity or interest in the forum.

Forrest

If someone doesn't confirm, meaning they disagree, they should write (not confirming because:)

Exactly. If the mandatory confirmation is removed, they will have to do this; simply staying silent will no longer be an option.

Forrest

I'm amazed by people who, after spending 10 hours on a game, can write only 2-3 words in their confirmation. And you want to remove even that!)

If they don't write, it means they don't want to; maybe we shouldn't force them? ;)

Forrest

What is the purpose of all this? If it's for quickly calculating the rating, it's already updated once a month anyway.

For example, to make the job of the rating administrator easier, and for the convenience of the players.

Всем удачи ! И Морали !

Dirty_Player

9/27/2009 3:20 PM UTC

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Samurai

In your first post there is not a word about the YEAR or the CURRENT state of affairs. So consider that you lied there, and very cynically at that!

I said what I said. And I will not back down from my opinion. Tournaments on the BAI are simply not played to completion, that's that! I see what I see. I don't see any links to other RP etc.

Samurai

It will be interesting to see how you wriggle out of such blatant lies! I am sure the creator of BAI himself never told you anything of the sort, and that is obvious. What does that make you after these words? A brazen and vile liar!

It is anarchic because nobody restricts anyone there. And I have read the profanity that flows like a river with my own [eyes]. You can go off-topic and spam there as much as you like. The most popular thread about poker, which does not correspond to the purpose of the resource, is clear proof of that. The most popular thread in the main section is filled with a large amount of profanity and no moderation whatsoever. If that is not anarchy, then I don't know what is.