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By the way, if I have 7 mana points, the game is won without a doubt and without any options. Why? It's a puzzle for your intelligence ;)


With 7 mana, there's zero chance. We simply kill the Chaos Dragon with bolts. Without offense, they won't take down 32 trees with 2000 HP that quickly.
The position definitely requires analysis. All these hasty simplifications lead nowhere. And about the game time. I'm sure that in Heroes III, the average game lasts at least 6 hours. IMHO, 7-8 hours. And in Heroes III, in important games, I myself play for 3 hours, and many others do too. For example, Rox, Andres, Papik.
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With 7 mana, there's no chance. Just kill the Chaos Dragon with bolts. Without offense, they won't take down 32 trees with 2000 HP so quickly.
It's already the 7th round, and inexperienced players are facing each other, so I don't think either of them has much mana left to just spam bolts.
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I'll add my two cents – Van actually had a favorable position: 7 Cyclopses can easily take on 32 Wood Elves, and everything else is roughly equal. This is just my opinion.


Let's analyze how easy it is.

I think it's clear that Vova had more mana (Pegasi and a Berserker were summoned).

Let's assume a Bolt spell is cast on a Cyclops right away, leaving 6.
6 Cyclopses deal damage to the Wood Elves:
(6 x (40-50) x (25-12) x (1+0.05%)) x 0.85 = 336-420
This is 5-6 Wood Elves.

In response, 25-27 Wood Elves deal damage:
25-27 x (10-14) x (1-(25-9) x 0.25%) x 1.3 x 0.85 = 165-192
Then, a Wood Elf attack kills the 6th Cyclops, and the retaliation deals about 280-350 (4-5 Wood Elves).
So, in the next round, it's 5 Cyclopses against 21-23 Wood Elves. Vova goes first again, casting a Bolt on a Cyclops, leaving 4.
These deal 224-280 (3-4 Wood Elves).
It's already clear that the next Bolt will reduce the number of Dragons to 3.

So, at the very least, it's not that simple. IMO!

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It's already the 7th round, and some non-expert spells were cast, so I think neither player has enough mana to just spam Bolt spells.

Vova has Ice Bolt for 6 mana, dealing 210 damage.
Van, as far as I understand, has a 4th-level spell, Lightning Bolt, dealing 130 (approximately) for 12 mana.

So, if they keep casting spells, only Vova can do it. He should have 30+ mana
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Let's analyze how easy it is.

I think it's clear that Vova had more mana (Pegasus and Berserk were used).

Let's assume a bolt is cast on the Dark Dragon right away. 6 remain.
6 Dark Dragons deal damage to the Forest.
(6x(40-50)x(25-12)x(1+0.05%))x0.85=336-420
This is 5-6 Forest units.

In response, 25-27 Forest units deal damage.
25-27x(10-14)x(1-(25-9)x0.25%)x1.3x0.85=165-192
Then, the Forest kills the 6th Dark Dragon, and the response deals about 280-350 damage (4-5 Forest units).
In the next round, there are 5 Dark Dragons against 21-23 Forest units. Our first move is another bolt on the Dark Dragon, leaving 4.
These will deal 224-280 damage (3-4 Forest units).
It's already clear that the next bolt will reduce the number of Dark Dragons to 3.

So, at the very least, it's not that simple.
You didn't even try to understand why I needed 7 mana points, and I also recommend that you take a closer look at the troop arrangement at the moment the game was interrupted – a completely different scenario emerges, although, of course, if there is enough mana for 5-6 bolts, then the chances are indeed small.
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You didn't even try to understand why I needed 7 mana points, and I also recommend taking a closer look at the troop arrangement at the moment the game was interrupted – a completely different scenario emerges, although, of course, if you have enough mana for 5-6 bolts, then the chances are indeed slim.

Lol. Don't try to predict what I was trying to do. I just needed enough mana for one cast, like removing the roots from the Dryad. But if you have nothing after that, then GG anyway.

I didn't look at the arrangement; I wasn't interested in it. I was analyzing "they'll easily crush 32 Dryads."
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Lol. Don't try to predict what I was trying to do. Well, you have enough mana for one cast, like removing roots from the Chaos Dragon. But if it's zero, then the hero will definitely win.
I wasn't trying to do anything, but all your calculations above lead nowhere because we're removing roots from the dragons, and they'll deal 9 damage (it seems the condition said they're standing close together), and then you can counterattack with griffons and add another 11 damage... How about this option? ;)
P.S. When I was talking about 7 points, I was thinking that both heroes were low on mana, but when I calculated, it turned out that Vladimir still has 30-35 mana, and Ivan has 20-25 mana, so the question is whether 6-7 Chaos Dragons + 11 damage will be enough to kill 1 Chaos Dragon and 32 puppets before they are overwhelmed by bolts. But considering that there seems to be a way to deal damage to the puppets through 9 damage (leaving 2-3 puppets), there's a chance, IMHO. I would really like to recreate the exact situation at the moment of interruption.
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Well, things got out of hand; I was just planning to spend 1-1.5 hours on a game, but it's dragging on, and now I don't even feel like playing. Sorry, Vladimir, and I don't think there's any need to argue.))))
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Things took a turn for the worse, guys. I would have won 99% of the time if I hadn't lost focus in this game and allowed my own creatures, my own griffins, to be defeated. Since I lost focus, the win goes to my opponent 100%. I've explained the reason; when you plan to spend 1-1.5 hours on a game, but it drags on, you just lose interest. Sorry, Vladimir, and I don't think there's any need to argue.))))
Ivan, no one is arguing, it seems ;) , there's a game-related discussion going on - I want to reconstruct the situation at the moment of the interruption (since I was offered to finish the game for you, and I agreed) - I hope you'll help me with this (in the sense of reconstructing the situation) ;)
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Ivan, no one is arguing, it seems ;) , there's just a gameplay discussion - I want to restore the situation to the moment of the break (since I was offered to finish playing for you - I agreed) - I hope you'll help with this (in the sense of restoring the situation) ;)

I don't know the details of the battle. I repeat, I analyzed how easily dragons could kill wood units. I haven't seen any screenshots or save files.
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I don't know the details of the battle. I repeat, I analyzed how easily wood dragons could be killed. I didn't see any screenshots or save files.
So, you analyzed it strangely - you took into account one thing, but ignored everything else:rolleyes:
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You analyzed it strangely – you considered the Bolt but ignored everything else:rolleyes:

Everything else was "roughly equal").
I showed that the Bolt wasn't "equal."

Of course, if there's a draft, it will be different. Then, naturally, the Blind will go to the Black Dragon, and we'll use Minotaurs, moving away from the draft. And there, it's a removal for "7 mana") and zero remaining, which almost always means GG for the Tier 3 creature.
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The rest is "roughly equal").
So, it could have been removed, but you left the bolt there for some reason.
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So, it could have been removed, but you left the bolt there for some reason ;)

Because 210 for 6 mana and 130 for 12 mana isn't balanced) (especially with a significantly higher mana cost)

In any case, Van, despite having a chance to win (according to some, a big or small chance), simply gave up after not being able to hold out for 15 minutes, showing a lack of spirit. IMHO.
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I honestly don't remember, but I know for sure that I messed up when I lost my own Griffins in the attack, about 28-30 of them were lost.

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Because 210 for 6 mana and 130 for 12 mana is not balanced) (especially with a clearly higher mana cost)

In any case, Van had a chance to win (according to some, a big or small chance). He simply gave up after not being able to hold out for 15 minutes, showing a lack of spirit. IMHO.
You, Forrest, are a respected player, and I will demonstrate my strength and lack of spirit in the selection (Favorites), and well-mannered people keep their opinions to themselves.
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Respected Forrest, I will demonstrate my strength and weaknesses to you in the selection process (Favorites), and I believe that well-mannered people keep their opinions to themselves.

Will I have to think about it for a long time? Will I have to go back and forth? :)
Don't be offended. It's just my opinion, and that's what opinions are for – to express them. This is a forum, after all.
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