Club championship of the CIS countries.

Captain

17 years ago

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Wicc

The answer is as follows: first, we need to conduct a survey among players on the following topics:
1) Is there a desire to participate?
2) When is it possible to come (at least for 5 days, otherwise it doesn't make sense)?
3) Where is it possible to come (in terms of money and time)?
4) On which game versions are you willing to play?

If the survey results show a sufficient number of participants, we can start organizing the event.

Wicc clearly formulated the questions. I suggest we start writing in this thread who is ready to play.

1. Is there a desire to participate - answer only if there is a "Yes" to question 3.

2. When is it possible to come (5 days is too much, it should be 2-3).
For this, the rule should be 2-4 minutes per turn, and we need to think about a system for elimination - a knockout tournament, 2 losses, or something else.

3. Where is it possible to come - keep in mind that someone will have to travel first to a qualifying round, and then to the final. For example, for Ukraine, Britvochka from Lviv to Kyiv, and then to Moscow/Michurinsk.

4. On which game versions are you willing to play?

My answers:
1. Yes
2. Around New Year, or we can see. Actually, it's possible to leave on Friday evening and return on Sunday evening - then you have almost any 2 days off.
3. Yes. I might even sponsor someone a little bit...
4. Only SoD.

P.S. In Moscow, there's Vitalik - you can ask him to organize the club and the entire event? Or don't you trust him? Or he won't want to?

P.P.S. For Siberia, here's a suggestion: make a contribution, and the winners will go to Moscow/Michurinsk on that money.

P.P.P.S. For the final, there are 12-16 people - there are 6 qualifying centers, so that means 2-3 players from each?

Wicc

17 years ago

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12-16 people for 2-3 days will be like having sex in a bathroom during a break.

The optimal schedule is 1 game per day. The optimal number of rounds (Swiss system, for sure) is log_2(N) + 1.

So, calculate it – for 16 people, it turns out to be 5 days. Or 4, if you squeeze it in.

Nagan-4

17 years ago

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The answer is as follows: first, we need to conduct a survey among players on the following topics:
1) Is there a desire to participate?
2) When is it possible to come (at least for 5 days, less is pointless)?
3) Where is it possible to come (in terms of money and time)?
4) On which game versions are you willing to play?

My answers:

1) Yes
2) New Year holidays (if I get time off from work), as well as in spring/summer if I take a vacation.
3) Anywhere within the European part of the USSR
4) TE-full (preferably), TE-light (acceptable), I will definitely not play on SoD.

If, based on the results of the survey, a sufficient quorum is gathered, then we can start organizational activities.

12-16 people for 2-3 days will be like having sex in a toilet during a break.
The optimal schedule is 1 game per day. The optimal number of rounds (Swiss system for sure) = log_2(N) + 1
So, calculate - for 16 people, it turns out to be 5 days. Well, 4, if you squeeze it in.

2 Wicc.
So, I assume, with a high degree of probability, there will be 4 qualifying tournaments - Michurinsk, Yekaterinburg, Novosibirsk, St. Petersburg.

I believe that the organizers should have maximum freedom in choosing the conditions for holding the qualifying tournaments.
St. Petersburg believes that more time is needed, full TE, and New Year holidays - so be it.
Michurinsk believes that SoD, 3 days - 5 rounds, and the deadline is the end of September, so let it be so too.
Because there is no point in arguing over trifles, especially now, when nothing has been done yet.
The organizer takes full responsibility for the qualifying tournament and, in return, determines the rules.

Moreover, the groups are very little overlapping with each other. Let's say Michurinsk and St. Petersburg, our local players only play on SoD, and World players will join them.
You, St. Petersburg, play on full TE, and Baev players will come.
No, we won't overlap in any way.
Novosibirsk and Yekaterinburg, due to the distance, have their own specifics; they can come to central Russia only for the final, due to the importance of the event.

So, 4 groups will definitely not compete in anything, neither in versions nor in players.

Now we are waiting for Moscow, Minsk, and Ukraine to say.

And 12-16 people can perfectly play a Swiss tournament in 5 rounds in 3 days if they don't get distracted by poker and drinking (don't get too distracted).

P.S. For the final, 12-16 people - there are 6 qualifying centers, so 2-3 players from each?

It all depends on the strength of the tournament, who will participate. This determines the quotas. A strong qualifying tournament - more, a weak one - less. But, I think, it is not necessary to give a qualifying tournament less than 2 places. It is more interesting to go to the final in pairs.
I keep Michurinsk in mind as a backup (for the final). If no one takes on the task, I have a club with 25 computers, so I can accommodate approximately 20 people. This is why I named the approximate number of finalists, about 20.

StickyFingaz

17 years ago

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1) Yeah. 2) Holidays – any will do. Especially during winter break. 3) I'll come to Michurinsk for the qualifier if there isn't one in Moscow. 4) On any version. But I prefer The Expansion.

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Kyle

17 years ago

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Nagan-4

I believe that the organizers should have maximum freedom in choosing the conditions for the qualifying rounds.
Peter thinks that more time is needed, a full testing phase and the New Year holidays mean that this should be taken into account.
Michurinsk believes that the SoD (Siege of Dragons) format, 3 days - 5 rounds, and the deadline of the end of September, means that this should also be the case.
Because there is no point in arguing over minor details, especially now, when nothing has been done yet.
The organizer takes full responsibility for the qualifying round and, in return, determines the rules.

Now, let's assume that the qualifying rounds have taken place and it's time to hold the final. Which version should be used? Something tells me that if this issue is not resolved now, many problems (to put it very mildly) may arise later.
It is still necessary to write the regulations first, and only then hold the qualifying rounds, otherwise nothing will come of it. :(
Everything I said is just my opinion.

I wish you good luck in this endeavor.
For my part, I can only participate as a spectator in the qualifying round in Moscow, and come to the final in Michurinsk... :)

VDV_forever

17 years ago

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Nagan-4

Friends, I propose a project to overcome the Schism within our hero community. Right now, conflicts have flared up on the Portal, and on our World, with people arguing about how Vitalik plays, how Hardcore plays, and so on…

Excellent project, great idea! I fully support it!:smile01:
If you manage to bring this project to life, I'll try to be there as a spectator at the final. I really want to watch professionals play in person, and chat with them at the same time. :smile08:

Wicc

The answer is as follows: first, we need to conduct a survey among players on the following topics:
1) Is there a desire to participate?
2) When is it possible to come (at least for 5 days, otherwise it doesn't make sense)?
3) Where is it possible to come (in terms of money and time)?
4) On which versions of the game are you willing to play?

1) Only as a spectator, a fan. Perhaps I can offer some small sponsorship to the winner (winners).
2) For the final, for a few days, preferably in winter, closer to New Year's.
3) It doesn't matter, the main thing is that the city has an airport. It would be good to know the date of the final in advance, a month before (tickets can be bought for about 6 thousand cheaper).
4) ---

Sincerely, VDV_forever

Avern

17 years ago

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1) Yes, I'm ready to participate, although my skill level isn't very high. 2) I can come at any time. 3) It takes 2 hours to get to Moscow, but I would prefer Michurinsk or St. Petersburg. 4) SoD, TE-light, I'm ready to try TE-full, but I think I prefer SoD. If I remember correctly, Russian Railways offers bookings 45 days in advance, for any train, any seats in a compartment.

Medium_HP

17 years ago

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1) It seems so.
2, 3, 4 - it doesn't really matter.

Nagan-4

17 years ago

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If the survey gathers enough participants, we can start organizing the event.

I still don't really believe in surveys for participation; it's better to send out invitations directly. But again, it depends on how the organizer of the qualifier decides to do it.

For example, I'll start by contacting all the people who have always come to my tournaments.
We already have participants: Lexa, Alexgrid, Mizrael, Scorp, That one..., Reper, and hopefully Sticky. I'll participate myself, not to reach the final (in my opinion, it's difficult to play, judge, and organize at the same time), but just because I miss it; I haven't played in the club for a long time, and I'll participate out of competition and to increase the prize pool.
We have 8 people, and I'll contact some of my friends from other cities to form the minimum required number (10-12 people) for the tournament, so it can definitely take place.

After that, we'll announce an invitation for all those who want to participate, with the rules, probably around the end of September. That's basically how the qualifier is ready, and that's how I've organized all the previous offline tournaments.

But you in St. Petersburg might have your own specific ways of doing things, surveys, organization, and deadlines.

Now, let's assume that the qualifiers have taken place and we need to hold the final; which version should we use? Something tells me that if we don't decide on this issue now, it could cause a lot of problems later (to put it mildly).

To be honest, I don't like TE as much as TE players don't like SoD.
I respect the game's creators and don't doubt that it's a great game, but I just don't like it. Nevertheless, I understand that for a unifying tournament, where all Heroes fans can participate, compromises are needed.

Therefore, I will support TE-light for the final. This is the minimum that both TE players and SoD players can accept. There are extremists who want to bury the version that goes against their beliefs. But, like all extremists, they will be in the minority, and I think that most people will accept a neutral option for all parties.

But each qualifier will be held on its own version.

We still need to write the regulations first, and then hold the qualifiers; otherwise, nothing will work out.

It would be good to finally decide on the number of qualifiers. I was really counting on the Minsk Heroes players; they have a rich tradition of club tournaments, and on the Ukrainian players. Friends, if anyone has contacts with Gorbik and Portal, please ask him for help in organizing a tournament in Kyiv.

And it would be good to find the coordinates of SAG; it seems to be the only chance to hold a tournament in Moscow.

Captain

17 years ago

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SAG - randommaps@yandex.ru
19330184 - Sergey

There are currently three players in Kyiv - me, Sem-56, and Kostya-N.
Invisible and Javdet are inactive, but maybe they will become active later. The others are silent, although the topic has been on the portal for some time.

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КостяN

17 years ago

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Captain

SAG - randommaps@yandex.ru
19330184 - Sergey

There are currently three players in Kyiv - me, Sem-56, and Kostya-N

But I won't be around!:eek: At least not until October (diploma, final exams, and all that), and even then, it's not certain - there are no vacations this year, unless I change jobs:rolleyes: ... January is the most realistic month to come somewhere:) .

Nagan-4

17 years ago

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There are currently three players in Kyiv - me, Sem-56, and Kostya-N.

We've already spoken with the respected Captain on the forum. Of course, there are many more Heroes players in Kyiv. And we definitely need to help each other.

Also, almost none of the current Ukrainian players have participated in club championships. There were few of them, unlike in St. Petersburg and Moscow, and many of the old players have left.
Many just came to try it out and chat in person, especially since the accommodation issue is being resolved.

P.S., I wrote to SAG on ICQ, let's see what he says.

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Gorbik

17 years ago

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Captain

SAG - randommaps@yandex.ru
19330184 - Sergey
The others are silent, although the topic has been on the portal for a while.

So, provide a link to the topic,
http://www.heroesportal.net/tavern/?id=275946#last
maybe someone will sign up for the Ukrainian-Kyiv qualifier from here. :)
Otherwise, they are only good at providing direct links to the World portal. :)

Van

17 years ago

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Which version will be played in the final, if it actually takes place? I think this is one of the most important questions.

Nagan-4

17 years ago

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But still, which version will be played in the final, if it even takes place???? I consider this question one of the most important.

The most important thing is that the qualifying tournaments take place; otherwise, we'll just end up talking about it.
As for the version—the layout can already be read: Michurinsk - SoD, Kyiv - SoD, St. Petersburg - TE, Yekaterinburg - TE, Moscow - likely SoD, Minsk - likely TE.
Provided that Moscow and Minsk organize their tournaments.

Therefore, I would suggest TE-lite: not quite TE, though not SoD either. But both SoD and TE players can play it with roughly equal success. But first—determine the organizers; for example, if only Michurinsk, Moscow, and Kyiv hold tournaments, why should we play on TE? And vice versa.
TE-lite—only if all the main communities, all three resources, participate. As a compromise acceptable to everyone.

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