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Posts from SoY-5: Online Tournaments "Seasons of year" - "Seasons" - Spring Season 2009Auto-translated
Petya is online regularly. He communicates with each player individually! Isn't it possible to come to an agreement during this communication? Warnings are sent 2-3 times via ICQ, then on the forum, and after all of this, you dare to accuse him of something??? Think before you speak! People also have their limits, and they need to be respected!!! This person has taken on half of the forum's workload, and now he's being blamed for something? No way. I'm shocked, Kostya!
Petya is online regularly. He communicates with each player individually! Isn't it possible to come to an agreement during this communication? 2-3 warnings are sent via ICQ, then to the forum, and after all this, you dare to accuse him of something??? Think before you speak! People also have their limits, and they need to be respected!!! The person has taken on half of the forum's responsibilities, and now he's somehow to blame? No way. I'm shocked, Kostya!
Something is brewing, some kind of unhealthy unrest. I already wrote that you need to agree on things in advance, and writing in the official chat: "Hey, let's play a game" is at least foolish! It's strange that no one answered, isn't it?
Next. The SoY Spring Tournament has already dragged on for quite some time (let's not look for those to blame). Pit took on the organization and management of the tournament. Did he really need that? Did he really need that medal so much? I don't believe it. He is one of the few people who prevents the forum from decaying! It's a pity that there will always be people who are capable of spoiling things.
Pit ?(06/19/2009 8:16): Hi! When will you play in Beste? There are 3 days left. And in Times of Year, you should have already played 2-3 games... bRitvo4kA ?(06/19/2009 12:28): Hi, maybe on the weekend Pit ?(06/19/2009 12:28): ok, try to
Here is a log from the chat, in which you, Andrey, are being urged, just like many other people, who have enough enthusiasm only to sign up for the tournament. I don't understand the motivation? Do you want them to give you two technical wins? What will that give you? A place one line higher? That's nonsense... Or do you want to replay? But how much longer can we delay it? Summer will end soon, and we will still be finishing the spring season. Is that normal? In general, we need to tighten up the deadlines!!!
I would also like to remind you that:
The decisions of the Arbitration Committee are recognized by all users of the forum, are final and not subject to discussion.
I respect Pita and acknowledge his hard work! But in this situation, it's clear: some were looking for an opportunity to play, and others weren't! If Britvochka's opponents can find logs showing they proposed a game to Andrei before he proposed it to them, I'll take back my words, but as it stands...:rolleyes: It's just interesting to know on what basis technical support favored one person over another. And the fact that he was supposedly supposed to play 3 games by the 20th – based on the rules, it's not necessarily true; they, as I understand it, allowed for a flexible schedule, even if it meant playing 3-4 games in the last 2 days (if I'm not mistaken); even if delaying isn't ideal.
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)
Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
I'm just curious about the basis on which technical support was provided to one person and not another...
It's simple. The tournament deadline has passed. All players have played all games against each other. Andrey played only one game, and Alex played none at all. Those who wanted to, played. I don't believe that everyone conspired and ignored him!
Here is a log from ICQ where you, Andrey, are being pressured, just like many other people who have enough enthusiasm to sign up for a tournament. I don't understand the motivation. Do you want them to give you two technical wins? What will that give you? A spot one line higher? It's some kind of nonsense... Or do you want to replay games? But what's the point in dragging it out; summer will end soon, and we'll be finishing the spring season?
Pit ?(06/19/2009 8:16): Hi! When will you play in Best? You only have 3 days left. And you should already have played 2-3 matches in Times of Year... bRitvo4kA ?(06/19/2009 12:28): Hi, maybe on the weekend. Pit ?(06/19/2009 12:28): Okay, try to.
Maybe you think this was an offer from Pit for me to play with him as part of SOY? On the weekend, I played a game as part of Best. Then I played a game as part of SOY. And I offered to play in SOY to ALL my opponents!!! If you don't know, messages sent via ICQ even when offline still reach the recipient, and they will read them. And if Pit received such messages from me, it means that I am offering a game, but he didn't answer because he couldn't or didn't want to play. There were no offers from his side at all. I am outraged by such awarding of technical wins; I consider it unfair.
If you're not aware, messages sent via ICQ, even if sent to someone who is offline, still get delivered and the recipient will read them.
Not necessarily. From personal experience: sometimes messages don't reach me, and sometimes my messages don't reach the recipient. Sending messages to someone who is offline is a 50/50 chance. It's not necessarily a bad idea, but it shouldn't be presented as a strong argument.
Also, I just noticed - why did I get 0.5 (in the match against SpiriTT), when I asked for technical support?
P.S. Without taking sides, a small observation.
P.P.S. Isn't it better to have the authority of truth than the truth of authority?
Does Pit for LM want to achieve victory through administrative methods? I don't believe it! :eek: Is bRitvo4kA afraid of his opponents and only communicates with them offline? Don't make me laugh! :smile52:
The last two pages of posts have nothing to do with the game itself. We all need to think carefully and come up with something to increase participation in the tournament. Otherwise, the tragedy will repeat itself. And for now, IMHO, it would be wiser to declare the tournament finished, but without announcing a winner. And return the competition from the forum to the game field, because SOY Autumn 2009 is just around the corner. Feel free to criticize.
Yes, by the way, I only just noticed - why on earth did I get 0.5 (the game with SpiriTT), when I asked for a tech. loss (for me)?
I wrote this on the forum and informed Dirty_Player. But there was another disputed situation here - Artem also asked for a tech. loss for himself in this game due to his own problems. In other words, you both wanted to give a point to each other. Therefore, when submitting the final results, a compromise had to be reached and you were both given half a point. If anyone is unhappy with this, contact the AC. Avern
We all need to scratch our heads thoroughly and come up with something regarding the tournament turnout.
And why didn't your pair play for 7th place?Avern
And for now, IMHO, it's more correct to declare the tournament finished, but without announcing a winner.
We played and played for three months, and now declare the tournament void? Four out of the 6 finalists played their games.bRitvo4kA
only 6 out of 15 planned games were played, is it really possible to determine a winner this way?
Yes, I absolutely agree. The result is depressing. Let's see: 15 - 6 = 9. Out of 9 unplayed games - 5 games for Alex (one of them with Britvochka). 9 - 5 = 4. Out of the 4 remaining - 3 games for Britvochka. Andrey, contact the AC to protect your rights. If you manage to get 3 tech. wins, you will be the winner. But why stir up a fuss here? There is no longer a single person here whose competence it is to make such a decision...
I have never begged for a tech. win under any circumstances. I always accepted the judge's decision AS IS.
IMHO, unplayed games should be marked as 0-0. But, as it turns out, in chess there is a rule that tournament participants who have played less than 50% of their games are disqualified, the results of the played games are annulled, and their opponents are awarded tech. wins. If we follow this rule, Britvochka should be given another tech. loss in the game with Psyche_7. КостяN
I don't want to stick my nose where it doesn't belong, but I think Andrey is right here! Pyotr, go on, admit you're wrong, it would be fairer!:smile20:
Kostya, I just can't understand specifically where I am supposed to admit I'm wrong. I write a lot of things; I can't be wrong everywhere. Please provide a quote. I will either admit I'm wrong or try to prove I'm right.
To be honest, I poorly understand the essence of the accusations against me. Since September 2008, I have played almost exclusively tournaments, 5-7 in parallel; there's no time left for fo-fan, and the same template has become boring. Due to work and studies, I manage to play no more than 2-4 games a week. Therefore, I've gotten used to strictly planning games to meet the deadlines. 80% of the games are by prior agreement, otherwise you'll miss all the deadlines. I love round-robin tournaments: you know all the opponents and deadlines in advance, and it's easier to agree. In June, I had 5 tournaments. My plans regarding the SOY for all 5 weeks: Week 1 (until June 5-7) - first game (played with Psyche_7 - round 4 - agreed in advance and easily - played on June 7), Week 2 (until June 12-14) - second game (played with Javdet - round 1 - met by chance on June 13 and played immediately), Week 3 (until June 19) - did not plan and did not play in any tournament at all - I had a State Exam on June 19 - the round-robin system allows for varying the rounds. Week 4 (until the end of June) - third game (started with Spiritt, postponed and agreed to finish after July 2). Also, from June 19 to the end of June, I was finishing debts in other tournaments. If Alex or Britvochka had suggested an agreement, I would naturally have found a way, but I didn't suggest it to them myself because I don't like starting new games when there are several postponed ones, and during that period there were about 4. Week 5 (from June 29 to July 5) I planned to finish all SOY games, as I had cleared the other tournaments. I would have easily made it in time.КостяN
And the fact that he supposedly should have played 3 games by the 20th - based on the rules it's not a fact at all, as far as I understand they allowed for a flexible schedule, even 3-4 games in the last 2 days (if I'm not mistaken); although dragging it out is not very good.
Well yes. This applies to all players, not just Britvochka. Finished playing with Artem on July 3. Our game with Britvochka - the last one by deadlines in this tournament - by draw it's a round 5 game, meaning formally it should have been played specifically in this week from June 29 to July 5. I started tracking him, but knowing his reluctance to agree in advance, I tried to coordinate via ICQ. I don't write offers to play offline; it seems silly to me, why offer a person to play if they aren't there? From July 2, Andrey stopped appearing on the forum as well. I had no info about his plans. Why am I blamed for not offering Britvochka to play at the beginning of June, if throughout the entire round-robin stage, compared to all other tournament participants, I had the highest number of played games? Why should I have played all the games in a shorter time? Why does Andrey have complaints specifically toward me, if he also didn't play with 3 other opponents? And judging by the posted logs, the situations are absolutely identical to mine?
The question here is different: if they didn't even contact him via ICQ, then why was technical support provided specifically to him, and not to them? :confused:
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)
Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
The question here is different: if they didn't even contact him on ICQ, then why was technical support specifically provided to him, and not to them? :confused:
Dirty_Player has already answered this question.
Kostya, I only performed the functions of a host and facilitator. I asked Evgeny to summarize the results, and he expressed his decision on the forum. Then, to finalize the results, I contacted Dirty_Player in the Arbitration Committee. I already wrote that I don't consider myself entitled to determine the results when I have a personal interest. That's why I insist in the rules for tournaments currently being developed that if the Organizer is also a Participant in the tournament, an independent judge must be involved.
Please specify exactly what your personal grievances are against me? Or apologize, because you accused me of dishonesty, and that really hurt me... And I don't understand why...
I'll allow myself to quote myself (just so you know...):
23) I ask you to pay special attention to the following point: Before registering for any tournament on HeroesWorld, you must understand that you become a part of it, and its conduct depends on you, as one of the players. To create a generally positive impression of the tournament, it is necessary to follow its rules and show respect to the organizers and its participants. An important component of a good tournament is the completion of all scheduled matches. In order to reduce the percentage of unplayed matches, this rule regulates the maximum number of possible missed matches - no more than 30% of the total number of matches and no more than one match in a row per player, as well as a penalty for violating this rule - if a player does not respond to requests to play tournament matches, they will be banned from participating in HeroesWorld tournaments for 6 months. If a player has a valid reason for refusing to participate in a tournament and informs the organizer about this during the tournament, they will be banned from participating in the next tournament on HW. That is, if you have a reason that prevents you from playing matches on time, or even the entire tournament, let me know in ICQ or PM; you don't have to state the reason, and then you will only be disqualified from the next tournament.
Guys, enough already with this pointless back-and-forth. I'm sure if you ask Petya, he'll agree to play against Andrey next week, right?
anyone could have been in bRitvo4ki's place... The abundance of tournaments and his sudden departure are having their effect... He's an active player, and I don't think he was avoiding the games :) ... Someone in his place would have just kept quiet... someone would have congratulated the winner... but if there are complaints, at least try to sort things out without resorting to personal attacks, and think about what can be done to prevent such situations from happening in the future... I think it would be possible to put two questions to a vote... what to do in such situations and what to do specifically with the tournament... Because I see that the AC is no longer able to make a normal decision (in the sense that there may be many who disagree), but a vote will resolve everything....
Homo Homini :smile03:
Острые копья мы воткнём в небо Полками затмим горизонты Знает уже враг не откупиться От казака ему золотом жёлтым.
Мы выступаем не за трофеев Ведёт нас вперёд великая вера Если погибнуть за землю родную Не побоиться тут каждый быть первым.
Лютая братия будет битва Сложат былины мудрые деды А коли останемся в поле навеки Что-ж, жить нам после - в легендах.
What difference does it make who had technical issues and who didn't? Petya was online and ready to play, as was I and the other finalists. But where was Andrey? It was obvious. I don't understand why he was warned, even though he's a highly respected member of the forum, but he has nothing to do with the tournament. It would have been easier to just post in the thread – "I warned one person, I could have posted here too." Many have already commented on his writing style in the official forum; there's nothing more to add. Kostya, please tell me, how do you arrange tournament matches? Do you write "high game," and then demand technical wins?
Please, be specific about what your grievances are against me personally? Or apologize, you accused me of dishonesty, and that really hurt... And I don't understand what for...
I didn't really accuse anyone! I just asked to acknowledge the wrongdoing (dishonesty and wrongdoing are not quite the same thing, a person can be wrong and still be absolutely honest). As an outside observer, I must say that I don't really care who wins this tournament or how, I just wouldn't want to set a bad precedent for the future. After rereading everything, I am still convinced that Andrey is right. Specifically, there was nothing in the regulations that requires him to create the tech trees, and not his unsuccessful opponents. Next time, write this point more clearly or make the rules stricter! The complaints seem far-fetched, if you follow the tournament rules...
What does it mean that you can't send offline messages offering to play:confused:? Basically, half of the active players wouldn't mind playing in invisible mode (and personally, I can't tell the difference - I don't have that function in Ace: where is invisible mode and where is offline:confused:).
I won't even comment on "Hey! Wanna play?":D: If you and another person have a tournament match planned, then what other kind of "game" could it be? A normal person wouldn't need any explanation, this only needs to be pointed out as some kind of unmanly excuse - that the offer to play was not in the right format, and I didn't understand that it was a tournament:D:D:D (however, Pyotr, this is not directed at you, but more at Artem SpiritT - because of his words in this thread...). So, what does this mean? - 1 person sends messages to everyone, offering to play, and the others don't even know who they are supposed to play, because they don't understand what kind of "game" was offered:rolleyes:.
Anyway, you haven't convinced me.:cool: Although, if there was anything offensive in my posts, I apologize to everyone!:o
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)
Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
SpiriTT
