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The initial task was as follows:

I don't think we'll be leveling up Tunar or Eradmon in a real game; we'll find a more decent hero. :D
Tunar and Eradmon were used here solely as heroes with a starting tactic. It could just as easily be given to Moner, Furu, or some other hero. The main thing is that with it, you can force the birds to attack the fodder in the first round, rather than the main damage dealers.

Without a tactic, it's rather sad. The birds will most likely just attack the air.
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Without tactics, it's indeed a bit sad. The birds will likely just waste their attacks.
You could try having them focus fire on someone in the center, like Earth Elementals and Fairies... Although, of course, it's boring without tactics, I agree...
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So, both tactics and Bless are not that common in real matches during the first week, especially when combined with 15 Water Elementals and Air Elementals, and Fairies usually dwindle by the end of the week, so it's almost impossible to win in a real match using only native troops without powerful spells.
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Both tactics and Blessings together in a real match during the first week are not that common, especially in combination with 15 Water Elementals and Air Elementals, and Fairies usually dwindle by the end of the week, so in a real match, taking almost everything with native troops and without powerful spells is almost impossible.
For the sake of hiding the birds, you can place a Guardian Tower 2.
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For the sake of getting birds, you can use GM2.
You can, but there's no guarantee that you'll get a bolt (ice or light) there + without building air units from the start, it will ruin the bird build. Although, of course, in a real game, it's much easier to get the bird build than to make sure it's given to you.
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Both Tactics and Bless together in a real game on the first week don't occur all that often, especially in combination with 15 Water Elementals and Air Elementals each, and Faeries usually melt by the end of the week, so in a real game, using only native troops without offensive magic to capture it is almost unreal.
Bless is given in about half of the games. Tactics about the same. You don't even need that many Faeries; they all die from the first hit by birds anyway. Their job is to take the hit themselves. As for Water Elementals, yes, that stack is both damaging and bulky, 15 is a bit too many, that's only possible with an external dwelling (which is not uncommon, though).

In general, 1-2 external dwellings of Elementals, which are placed on respawn quite often, will suffice for a critical mass of the army here. And if you get 3-4 external dwellings of Elementals, then Bless is not really needed anyway.

To get specific numbers, testing is required, but I think in at least 1 out of 3 games the layout will allow capturing the external dwelling of birds on the 1st.
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Thank you all for the comments; now, even though it's still a bit unclear, a way to achieve the goal is starting to emerge. All that's left is to "practice" :smile13:.
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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to Lider1, look how the forum came alive :)
Tactical Phase Before the battle, I separated 1 Fire Elemental, positioned them so that they wouldn't attack the Faeries, Air Elementals, and Earth Elementals, using the terrain features. The main thing is to protect the Air Elementals, as they are the most tempting target for the Birds.
Round 1 The Birds attack the Water Elementals, I attack with the Earth Elementals, everyone else waits, except for the single Fire Elemental (it absorbs the counterattack). Bless is cast on the Air Elementals, I attack with all of them in sequence, see how the Faeries and Air Elementals are positioned. The Birds attack the Faeries, but without dealing burn damage!
Round 2 The Earth Elementals attack, everyone waits, 4 Fire Elementals absorb the counterattack, after which everyone attacks. The Birds attack the Water Elementals, dealing burn damage to the Earth Elementals :(
Round 3 The Earth Elementals attack, the Air Elementals wait, the Earth Elementals absorb the counterattack, Bless is cast on the Air Elementals, and we attack.
Round 4 Only one Bird remains, and it is unable to even deal with the Earth Elementals. We finish it off. :smile19:
Total: 1 Earth Elemental, 2 Earth Elementals, and 14 Air Elementals remain.

PS I just replayed it once, and 2 Earth Elementals survive; you don't need to expose them to burn damage.
PPS I tried using Bloodlust instead of Bless, and it worked on the first try, but the Earth Elementals died, leaving only 2 Earth Elementals and 14 Air Elementals.
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Thank you all for the comments; even though it's still a bit unclear, a way to achieve the goal is starting to emerge. Now, all that's left is to "practice":smile13:.
Why do Conflux and the bird-containing hidden locations appear so often? :D
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Here’s an interesting idea: we could create a thread where players suggest short challenges to each other, similar to chess problems (checkmate in 2-3 moves). The challenges should not be too difficult, but with a twist. It’s just for a mental exercise and doesn’t take much time. It’s fun and helps to get the brain working.
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I managed to beat it on the tenth try, using 14 Air Elementals, 2 Psychics, and 4 Fire Elementals, and even with 2 Warlocks :). The Phoenixes always behave differently, even when I perform the same actions. It strongly resembles randomness.
PS. If you divide not 1 Fire Elemental but a Warlock, the losses are even more ridiculous: only the Warlocks, Earth Elementals, and 8-9 Water Elementals are lost :).
The setup is the same as Avern's.
PPS. Here, with just Phoenixes, you can easily take the minimum number of units and the battle just rolls on! :)
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Why do Conflux and Bird Nests drop so often? :D

Not very often. I've only played this map about 5 times online (I'm still learning). I would just be upset if a Bird Nest dropped and I missed taking it because of my own noobishness. It's not a completely standard situation, but I think you need to know how to act in it.
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Dates behave differently even when I perform the same actions.
Try not to position the units. In this case, the Birds always attack air units because they deal the most damage after the Fairies, and they have few hit points (I mean this specific case). If you block the air units, the Birds will always attack the Elementals. So, there is a certain logic. For example, when there are only 2-3 Birds left, they no longer attack the Elementals and air units (due to the fear of retaliation) and instead attack the remaining Water Elementals and Fire Elementals.
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During the 1st week, it is usually possible to take a level 7 external dwelling with any Castle.
The main thing is to scout it early and understand what is needed to capture it.

In ConF, the phoenix external dwelling is taken easily. The primary strength there is magic: build level 2 magic or learn Bolt/Lightning and send a mage with six fairies into the same external dwelling — the result of this battle: minus 2-3 phoenixes. Then you can finish them off without losses using ordinary troops and Astral Thoughts.
Or you can send another mage in later — the result: the external dwelling is taken with a loss of only 10 fairies :)
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The main thing to know is that after the battle, the number of guards at the external dwelling does not increase back to its original amount!
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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Try not to position your units. In this case, the Birds always attack air units because they deal the most damage after the Fairies, and they have low health (I mean this specific case). If you block the air units, the Birds will always attack the Elementals. So, there is a certain logic to it. For example, when there are only 2-3 Birds left, they no longer attack the Elementals and air units (due to the fear of retaliation) and instead attack the remaining Water Elementals and Fire Elementals.

I was talking about the fact that in the second round, 4 Birds attack either the Earth Elementals or the Goblins, both times seemingly trying to eliminate my air units, but they have to fly back, so their plan doesn't work.
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