Posts from 2009 World Championship for Heroes IV Online. Auto-translated

A bit of constructive criticism:

oxygen_hl, question about the maps. Do I understand correctly that everyone else has to wait for the list? Or is it worth writing down the mentioned maps in one column now and adding/choosing later?

Perhaps, to start, we should finalize the rules or add to them if necessary. Once we have the final version that the French and TOX (if he is participating) agree on, we can move on to the maps. But in general, we can certainly start compiling a list.

And who are the TOX?

Tournament of Honor
www.toheroes.com

In some photos, I saw brave Belarusian heroes... maybe I should share a link with them too (but I don't remember if they played the 4th game):smile02:

I reviewed the draft regulations. I have some comments regarding the content. In my opinion, the following things are missing: - the number of prize places to be awarded, so it is unclear whether there will be a match for 3rd place; - the prize for winning and for other prize places, if any; - the results (not only of the top 8 players) of the previous championship, which may be taken into account during the draw; - the method of conducting the draw. Some things need to be corrected: Pacobac will not be a judge. It remains unclear who is on the organizing committee to approve the maps. Are they the organizers, the judges, or both? It is difficult to imagine what the TOURNAMENT RULES should contain. Suggestions for the sections: ORGANIZING COMMITTEE AND DISTRIBUTION OF RESPONSIBILITIES. Judges. Replace Pacobac with DJN. SOFTWARE, SETTINGS, AND MAPS. The last sentence, "The voting period is 7 calendar days," can be removed. TOURNAMENT FORMAT. In my opinion, a group tournament with a playoff is more solid. TIMING AND DATES. I suggest replacing the last paragraph with: "Each round, conducted according to the game schedule, is given 14 calendar days. The host is responsible for starting and completing the game. He informs the judges in advance if his opponent is absent. If a postponement for a round is necessary, the host must submit a request to the judges or organizers no later than 24 hours before the end of the round."

- the number of prize places to be awarded, so it is unclear whether there will be a match for 3rd place;

In general, if you play a Final Four, it implies ranking the top three, but in this case, it's a round-robin. But I'll add it, yes. Let there be three prize places.

- the prize for winning and for other prize places, if there are such prizes;

There will be prizes, but it is not yet clear what exactly they will be. I'll add something.

- the results (not only of the top 8 players) of the previous championship, which may be taken into account during the draw;

They are on the League. By the time of the draw, the website will be up.

- the method of conducting the draw.

Auto-random. I will try to make it public.

Some things need to be fixed: Pacobac will not be a judge
It remains unclear who is on the organizing committee to approve the maps. Are they the organizers or the judges, or both? It is difficult to imagine what the TOURNAMENT RULES should contain.

Regarding the maps, it will be the judges. They represent the resource. Yes, I need to elaborate a little more. I somehow glossed over this point.

The tournament rules include the rules for selecting a map and race, a list of cheats, bugs, and prohibited moves, time control, game settings for specific maps, behavior in difficult game situations (zombie vs. fly), etc.

Suggestions for sections.
ORGANIZING COMMITTEE AND DISTRIBUTION OF RESPONSIBILITIES. Judges. Instead of Pacobaca, appoint DJN.

Okay. I will do it.

SOFTWARE, SETTINGS, AND MAPS. The last sentence, "The voting period is 7 calendar days," can be removed.

Hmm. Why?

TOURNAMENT FORMAT. In my opinion, a group tournament with a playoff is more solid.

I will explain why I propose this format.
Disadvantages of group + knockout:
- uncontrollable rounds, games proceed "on their own" - this leads to complacency and major delays;
- gaps in the tables - this greatly affects the image of the tournament;
- very long duration;
- in the playoff (knockout) section, very strong players can be eliminated by chance, almost without having time to play with serious opponents. That is, the most interesting section of the tournament for half of the playoff participants will end immediately. As a result, you struggle through the groups (searching and suffering) and are eliminated in the first round of the playoffs, having barely played - it's frustrating.

Now about double elimination + Final Four. In terms of the number of games, this system is practically not inferior to groups, because in the last tournament, not many players in the group had more than three games played, while in the double elimination, everyone has at least two games. In addition, the Final Four allows you to create intrigue between the four best players in the tournament and more accurately determine the winner.

In addition, double elimination is faster to play. Each round is controlled separately, which avoids tedious disputes at the end of the group stage about "who is to blame for what." There are no gaps in the tournament table (pluses, minuses) even in case of absences.

TIMING AND DATES. I suggest replacing the last paragraph with: "Each round played according to the schedule is given 14 calendar days. The responsibility for starting and completing the game lies with the host. He informs the judges in advance about the absence of an opponent. If it is necessary to provide a postponement for a round, the host must submit a request to the judges or organizers no later than 24 hours before the end of the round."

A familiar idea ;) I will do it.

So, here are the maps that someone in the thread suggested, one way or another. P.S., Circle 2.0, Bizarro, Lezkandra, Plains of Despair 1.6, If these walls (debatable, but possible), Spleen, Will and Reason, Showdown 1 Power Spot 2 Circle 2.0 3 Bizarro 4 Lezkandra 5 Plains of Despair 1.6 6 If these walls could talk 7 Showdown 8 Spleen 9 Will and Reason 10 Dark and Dalia 11 Ruins of Zezland 12 Heart of the Winter These maps were mentioned. I would remove 8, 10, and 11, in my opinion. And Double Oxygen is right; for such a large scale, that would be the best option. Groups can either be scheduled in rounds, which is inconvenient with a large number of players, or rely on the honesty and integrity of the players themselves.

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Is this from Academy, or should we include them as well?

It seems to be from Academy... or should we include them too?

Ah, I guess I just didn't understand what kind of list you were compiling. Then, oh dear :)

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By the way, I think I'll add that each player can "add" no more than two maps. Otherwise, it could be overwhelming.

Iron Man, even though it received criticism.

oxygen_hl, I only listed the ones that were "unique," you just happened to list half of the Academy maps in some post, hence the coincidences:)

So:
1 Power Spot
2 Circle 2.0
3 Bizarro
4 Lezkandra
5 Plains of Despair 1.6
6 If these walls could talk
7 Showdown
8 Spleen
9 Will and Reason
10 Dark and Dalia
11 Ruins of Zezland
12 Heart of the Winter
13 Iron Man

Revised version:

We need to decide on the map voting system. Should it be 7 days, or until the start of the tournament? If it's until the start of the tournament, it should be open so people can practice. I don't really like the idea of it being open, because it encourages cheating and collusion, but if there's no other option, we can have an open voting period until the start.