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Evanescence and Lacuna Coil, which is better? (Which do you like more?)
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Vayshan
17 years ago
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Of course, I'm not surprised, because it was produced by the great Gilmour himself! Who, in turn, produced the equally great Linkin Park!
For example, Slipknot's "Vol. 3: The Subliminal Verses" was produced by a certain Rick Rubin, who later produced the latest album by Linkin Park as well. Despite having the same producer, I didn't notice any similarities. This is to say that the band generally chooses the music they will play (especially if it's an established band that won't be pressured by the label), and the producer simply suggests some new ideas (I watched some video materials about the album recording process). As for the "poppy" voice... Well, I don't know, it's subjective, I didn't notice anything like that. In any case, it often happens that when a band changes its sound, many fans don't like it. But you lose something, you gain something. I think this album will find its listeners.
Arandor
17 years ago
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well, maybe I'm off-topic, but Rick Rubin was the producer for the Peppers from '89 or '91 until 2006, i.e., their last album)). I don't know if he's still involved now. P.S. Let's see what the next album will be like.
The point of producing is that the producer decides how and what everyone should do, and makes corrections; this is the same in filmmaking...
I personally like diverse groups, so I was speaking quite objectively...
Vayshan
17 years ago
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The point of producing is that the producer decides how and what everyone should do, and makes adjustments. This is also the case in filmmaking.
I don't know how it is in filmmaking, but in music, it seems a bit too extreme to completely dictate how a band should sound, especially when dealing with experienced musicians and not just newcomers. So, it turns out that no band has its own style at all; everything depends on what the producer wants? Of course, he makes adjustments and gives advice, but it's unlikely that a band would work with a producer who disagrees with what the band wants to play. However, if an album isn't well-received, it's certainly convenient to blame the producer.
kcfgogbfalgfl
17 years ago
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An encyclopedic definition: A music producer is a person responsible for the image, musical style of the artists, and the recording process. So, if you listen to Shallow Life, you can hear moments similar to Linkin Park, but Sleep Token seems to be immune to the above definition :p. There are bands that play however they want and whatever they want, and the producer takes care of the rest (Sleep Token even has its own commandment: They only play what they want and only how they want). And then there are bands where the producer is in charge of everything.
Amko
17 years ago
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In general, it depends on how “cool” the group is. There are bands that producers practically worship.
Vayshan
17 years ago
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I read the definition when I was writing my previous post. However, that article mentions the most general characteristics of producing, but there is also a vast genre (in terms of the number of performers) like pop music. In pop music, the producer is truly king and god; the performer doesn't do anything at all. One person writes the music for them (chosen by the producer), another writes the lyrics (also chosen by the producer), and the producer is responsible for the image, sound, and other similar aspects. But what separates rock bands from pop music is, among other things, creative independence; that is, they compose the music and lyrics themselves. In my opinion, the most a producer can do is offer advice, like "this way will be better than that," but completely controlling a rock band... I don't know about that. Besides, pop artists seem to be "under the wing" of the producer who made them famous and are completely dependent on them, while rock bands achieve popularity on their own and have the right to choose their own producer, especially when they become well-known. Would they choose someone who has different views on their sound?
Rick works differently than other producers. It's really hard to describe in words. He wants you to do what you want, he wants your vision of your own song to come through your own playing, and to compose it. I make about half a dozen song sketches, and then he comes, and we listen to them. After that, he starts making suggestions. It's amazing because you get everything you want from the song, and then you can use it afterward.
Someone from Slipknot said that; it's taken from Wikipedia. So, it turns out that the producer still makes suggestions? That's what I meant.
So, if you listen to Shallow Life, you can hear moments similar to Linkin Park.
For example? Maybe it's just that nu-metal elements have appeared; why did they start to sound like Linkin Park? I haven't noticed any similarities...
kcfgogbfalgfl
17 years ago
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I'm not going to describe individual moments; if you don't see something, that's your problem ;) I'm not the only one talking about this similarity.
So, does the producer still give suggestions?)) That's what I meant.
:D:D Of course, he gives suggestions; he wouldn't force the group to do anything :D
I was saying this because producers have a significant influence on many groups ;)
I won't continue this "discussion" because it's pointless :smile04:
Vayshan
17 years ago
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Of course, he'll offer suggestions; he wouldn't force the group to do anything.
Yes, he wouldn't offer suggestions if no one was listening. It's clear that he can't force anyone to do anything.
I'm not going to describe individual moments; if you don't see anything, that's your problem. I'm not the only one talking about this similarity.
Of course, Don Gilmore seems to evoke associations with Dungeon for everyone, so people started talking about how he's making everything like Dungeon. I've listened to Dungeon for a long time and haven't noticed any similarities with Castle. Well, even if there is, it's probably for the better for me.
P.S. Not obligated to respond; I'm not starting a discussion.
ValgallaWolf
17 years ago
Evanescence и Lacuna Coil,что лучше?
Within Temptation
kcfgogbfalgfl
17 years ago
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Firstly, open your eyes and think carefully about the topic. The question wasn't posed as "what's better, Evanescence or Lacuna Coil." Secondly, there's no need to jump in without arguments and write a mindless, rambling post. Come on, tell me what makes Within Temptation so much better? I don't see any "in my opinion," "it seems to me," or anything like that.
Most likely, a pseudo-sarcastic answer will follow, as we can't provide any real arguments, but we still need to jump in and bark.
ValgallaWolf
17 years ago
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Firstly, I voted for Cristina Scabbia a long time ago, and I think, as the creator of this thread, you should be able to see that.
Secondly, you have 1407 posts, 60% of which are just chatter.
Thirdly, I never yap. Who am I to you? Some acquaintance? The concept of respect seems to be unknown, not just to me... I simply pointed out to the creator of the thread that if we're comparing, we should look at three groups.
Want some arguments? Here you go. Let's compare them based on all parameters.
1) Musicians in the group.
a1) Vocal abilities of the vocalists.
Cristina Scabbia - 7.5.
She has a voice, not too strong, but it's there. However, her pop-like intonations turn Lacuna Coil's songs into sentimental ballads. Mix the voice of Madonna with the voice of Liv Kristine from early Theatre of Tragedy, and you'll get the voice that Scabbia sings with. Such a voice is unacceptable for serious gothic music.
Cristina herself says: "We consider our voices as two completely different instruments - no more, no less. When a new song appears, we focus on the situation. Whose voice fits the music better, that's the one who sings. We don't have any other scheme."
What does this say? It says that Lacuna Coil is difficult to imagine without the duet of voices, and that she, on her own, doesn't represent much.
But there are also positive reviews... The vocalist of Lacuna Coil has quite decent vocal abilities. Her voice isn't monotonous or screeching like a siren. It's just pleasant, clear, and melodic. It's amusing to hear her Italian accent in English songs. It creates some kind of unique charm.
My personal opinion is that Lacuna Coil isn't entirely gothic, so I won't agree with the first statement. But still, sometimes, especially at concerts, she "overdoes it," meaning she sings higher than she should.
Amy Lee... Tomorrow, I'll continue with the next pair.
I wouldn't even compare them to Within Temptation; they play in different styles. One plays gothic symphonic power metal, and the other is a parody of gothic metal and not very good nu-metal (though there are a couple of good songs), so it's not worth it....
I agree with your post 200%...
Added 2 minutes later Spellbound
First, open your eyes and think carefully about the topic. The question wasn't posed as "which is better, Evanescence or Lacuna Coil." Second, there's no need to jump in without arguments and write a mindless, rambling post. Come on, tell me how Within Temptation is better? I didn't see any "in my opinion," "it seems to me," etc..
Most likely, there will be a pseudo-sarcastic answer, as we can't argue but need to jump in and bark.
You're too harsh; the guy knows what he's talking about...
kcfgogbfalgfl
17 years ago
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I voted for Scabbia a long time ago, and I think, as the creator of this thread, you should see that.
I'll risk correcting you. There is no "Scabbia" option in the poll.
You have 1407 posts, 60% of which are just chatter.
Did you count? :D I have never denied my actions. But you… making comments and writing all sorts of nonsense everywhere, that's fine. But when it comes to serious conversations, you suddenly become so good and serious, and everyone else is a scoundrel. For example, Loken is an evil and rotten person. :smile04:
And now, directly to the topic.
Christina herself said: We consider our voices as two completely different instruments - no more, no less. When a new song appears, we focus on the situation. Whoever's voice fits the music better, sings it. We have no other scheme. What does this say? It says that Lacuna Coil is difficult to imagine without the vocal duet and that she, on her own, doesn't represent anything.
Vanka also said a lot of things.;) In fact, nothing will change without the duet ;) Because Scabbia's vocals are what carried the band, and she continues to keep it afloat. The musicians are just average, yes.
She has a voice, not too strong, but she has one. However, pop-style intonations turn Lacuna Coil's songs into sappy ballads.
The Lacuna Coil vocalist has quite decent vocal abilities. Her voice is not monotonous or screeching like a siren. It's just pleasant, clear, and melodic.
The syndrome of searching for a connection...
Added some time later Hmm, I'm tormented by the thought that I made a mistake. Did you even say the above, or am I just making things up? At least highlight it with a quote or a different font. It's funny, it's the same as if I were to bash a band that I've never heard.
Dreat
17 years ago
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I haven't listened to either of them in a long time, although I started with Evanescence. If we're talking about it, I prefer Lacuna Coil because, in my opinion, their sound is heavier, and the genre is more serious... Although I didn't like their last album, and I'm not a big fan of the genre anyway.
