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Offline HoM[M]ie
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I don't know, I don't know, some people worked day and night, while others (and there were quite a few of them) came to work just to tick a box. Still, everyone is supposed to receive the same salary.
Be that as it may, the result was evident.
Well, drug addicts and the United States aren't particularly connected; in the end, they've been fighting this much more intensely over the past 15 years than we have. I think we should blame ourselves for our own problems, not America :smile33:
America contributed more to the country's collapse; it was good at both the Cold War and drugs, because we were their main enemy.
I disagree :p
Do you disagree with the fact that capitalism doesn't hinder them? Or with the fact that they are approximately like the USSR? Here, of course, I might be wrong; who knows what's going on with the Chinese, but they seem to be living quite well, and their economy is good...
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And how was it better in the USSR?
Well, by those standards, the USSR was a superpower, on par with the United States, while Russia is lagging behind. Of course, people are living better now; many years have passed, and people don't care about what the country is in the world; as long as they are well-fed and rested, they don't care; democracy is a paradise for them in this regard. As far as I understand, you are comparing them based on these criteria, right? That's right, but I meant world leadership...
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In the 1980s, the second largest source of income for the USSR after selling oil abroad was the sale of alcoholic beverages to the country's population. But now there are terrible consequences, especially teenage alcoholism. The nation is slowly becoming an alcoholic nation, because an alcoholic nation cannot be a full-fledged nation. As a result, without any McDonald's or American ideology, we can destroy ourselves. But we can be proud that no one drinks as much as Russians do. It's just great.
I can't say anything in response; you're right. :) But if the Americans hadn't encouraged it, maybe we would have been able to cope with alcoholism...
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Well, by those standards, the USSR was a superpower, on par with the USA, while Russia is lagging behind. Of course, people live better now, so many years have passed, and what matters to people is that they are well-fed and rested; they don't care about the country's position in the world; democracy is a paradise for them in this regard. As far as I understand, you are comparing based on these criteria, right? Of course, that's correct, but I meant world leadership...
Well, essentially... what is this so-called world leadership worth?
What is it needed for? If you judge by that, any system that severely limits people's rights/opportunities will lead the country to leadership in terms of development/power/economy/whatever in a couple of months. Because 96% goes directly to people: salaries - to workers, rights - also represent costs, and the ability to force people to work more is limited.
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Regardless, the result was evident.
Regardless, the alliance fell apart.
America contributed more to the country's collapse; the Cold War and drugs were effective tools, as we were their main enemies.
Of course, but it wasn't them who destroyed the country, but our compatriots.

Are you saying that capitalism doesn't hinder them?:) Or that they have something similar to the USSR? Here, I might be wrong, who knows what's going on with the Chinese, but they seem to be living well, and their economy is good...
I'm saying that you shouldn't confuse communism with social democracy. They live well, although there are still many problems. Although they have the second-largest economy in the world, it seems they should be doing even better...
Well, by those standards, the USSR was a superpower, on par with the USA, while Russia is lagging behind. Of course, people live better now, many years have passed, and people don't care about the country's position in the world; as long as they are well-fed and rested, they don't care; democracy is a paradise for them in this regard. As far as I understand, you are comparing them based on these criteria? That's right, but I meant global leadership...
Well, the poverty level in Russia is higher than it was in the USSR. But it's not about global leadership, but about a well-developed economy and, as I said, a sensible policy.
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I agree with you: some circumstances have arisen that prevent us from continuing the discussion; I don't want to argue; all my thoughts are focused on one thing - as stated in the signature.
P.S. But we could continue... :D
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I'm saying that you shouldn't confuse communism with social democracy. People live quite well, although there are still many problems. Even though it's the second largest economy in the world, you'd think they'd be doing even better...
The economy may be the second largest, but with over a billion people, that income is probably not enough.

In general, even if the Soviet Union hadn't collapsed, it's unlikely that it would be considered a superpower today, because the economy was in complete disarray at the time, and its rehabilitation takes a certain amount of time. In principle, at the moment, Russia is recognized as a great power, along with the USA, France, Great Britain, and China.

Besides, a country like Russia can't live in peace. Its vast territories and resources evoke envy in other states. If our government wants to maintain all of this, it simply needs to develop its army (and abolishing mandatory military service would be very undesirable for our country), its economy, and its geopolitical influence. The government's authority within the country also needs to be developed so that "enemies" cannot destroy Russia from within. And it's also good that Russia is now at least free from ambitions like a World Socialist Revolution.

By the way, I recommend reading this rather interesting article.
http://www.vz.ru/politics/2007/11/9/123643.html
O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.

G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal
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I agree, I don't like people :smile10:

Okay, let's get back to this question:
there wasn't an American ideology before, there weren't drug addicts, lowlifes, and other scoundrels
What is the American ideology then?
Lowlifes have always existed, and 70% of the current ones are from the USSR. Simply because a lot of propaganda came from there. Accordingly, it actively began to instill this element in the new generation of people) And 30% is a consequence... those 70% didn't disappear, by the way.

Drug addicts? They are harmless. They didn't exist because it was suppressed at a total level and was part of the ideology.

And who are these other scoundrels?)
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ChmAFF type))))))0
And why can't I send you some compliments?????((((((99
By the way, hello, what's your name, and how old are you?????
Let's chat????))))00
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I already said that I won’t continue. I don’t like the atmosphere of arguments. There’s little point in them. Please don’t contact me anymore.
aka Sir Holmes aka David Jones.
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The best form of government has always been and remains democracy; this has been proven by time.
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Yes, Monarchy is good, but only with me at its head).

Be strong. Believe
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Where is the "Despotism" option?
Пришёл,увидел,нафлудил.
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