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Check out the comments you left for LeBron;

But in general, if feedback is monitored and addressed for everyone and for everything, and not just for individual people, then only the Admin and a couple of users will remain on the forum :D

I looked at the comments; they are essentially public insults (since everyone can see them), and Alex didn't receive a proper punishment for them. But that's in the past; Alex and I understood each other in a private message. Personally, I suggest closing the flood section.

If you look at it that way, Oelma should be punished first and foremost for trolling:

This is a different matter, and I personally don't want to discuss it, just like many others who read the "round table" discussion.
And those who want to can sort out these issues either in a private message with him or by writing in the "dialogues with moderators" thread.

P.S. I'm writing in this thread specifically to answer you; I ask the moderators to move the entire conversation about this to the appropriate thread!

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Alex, who would have thought?

Back then, there wasn't a point system, so everything was fair... :D
Besides, it's debatable who was interfering and who wasn't, and I don't behave like that anyway. I don't fully agree with the forum's policies, and as a result, I served a 10-day ban :smile01:, but I will never be rude or insult anyone without a reason.
This also applies to my comments about Lebron.

P.S. Please, no kindergarten... and you're just as bad: :smile29:

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And in general, if comments are recorded for everyone and for everything, and not just for individual people, then only the Admin and a couple of users will remain on the forum :D

What if no one's comments are recorded?

How about we let users ban anyone they want? That would be fun! :D
Why can Querty award points, but I can't? What's the difference? :D

Well, Alex, I've been reading, reading, reading, and decided to stop talking about this, to stop going off-topic, but here I see it again:

What if no one is penalized?

You keep doing it yourself, and you just said that this should be discussed in another thread... Or do you think I should just ignore this question?

Now, let's move on to the question directly.
Do you think it would be better if only people like me were banned?:rolleyes:
I think the violation system is unnecessary. If someone is causing trouble, give them a ban, for example, for a week, and that's it, they'll come to their senses later. Or, if a user is bad and behaves poorly, they are banned permanently, and after a year, they want to return to the forum, they log in, and see "blah blah, you were banned, automatically...". You can give thousands of examples :)
P.S. I'm not just talking; I've been banned about 7 times myself.

I reviewed the comments; they are essentially public insults (since everyone can see them), and Alex didn't receive a fitting punishment for them.

There are no perfect rules, and strictly limiting oneself to them isn't ideal.
There are two completely different situations here.
1) LeBron left a comment on my post containing profanity. After attempting to find out the reason, I encountered rudeness and arrogance, so I issued a warning not on the forum, but directly to him in his profile – the fact that it can be read is a separate issue. But I don't write any provocative posts in forum topics.
2) It seems that Neznayka and Oelm have a conflict, and the post for which Neznayka received a violation was pure provocation.
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I also want to close this topic, but you keep making remarks that require explanations. I've already said that I'm continuing to write in this topic solely to respond. If I write in another topic, it will be irrelevant.

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What if we let users ban whoever they want? That would be fun :D
Why can Qwerty award points, but I can't? What's the difference??? :D

Why ask silly questions?
Qwerty is a moderator, and you are a user. Prove that you moderate better, apply for the position, and you can ban whoever you want. ;)

Good day to you all. As I see, our forum members have accumulated a number of questions for the moderators, particularly for me. 1. Monitoring user violations is one of the moderators' responsibilities. Unfortunately, violations of the rule "Any direct or indirect insults towards users, third parties, or organizations" still occur on our forum. Well, that's what moderators are for – to put a stop to such behavior. And if a user doesn't understand, a ban might cool them down, which they will face in case of repeated violations. 2. Trolling. It's a tricky issue, and frankly, a difficult one. We've had trolls in the history of our forum, and we seemed to have dealt with them collectively. Unfortunately, skilled trolls leave posts that are difficult to criticize from a formal point of view, but as a result, they provoke conflicts, squabbles, and spam, etc. We could use many metaphors here, but that's not what we're talking about right now. A moderator is obliged to stop trolling; they must become a truly fungicidal tool for the forum. I believe everyone knows that the actions of moderators are not discussed on our forum. And those "walking on the edge" are strongly advised to either engage in off-topic discussions in the appropriate section or stop doing so altogether.

Unfortunately, skilled trolls leave posts that, from a formal point of view, are difficult to criticize, but as a result, they provoke conflicts, squabbles, and spam, etc.

This post from the online games report thread can also be considered trolling:

I have a question about the screenshots. There, Gurnisson has 418 mana out of 80. I would like to learn how to achieve such results...

Is this either a lack of knowledge or an attempt to indirectly accuse the user of cheating?
So, Qwerty, maybe you should start with yourself and give yourself a score of 5?

Why ask stupid questions?
Qwerty is a moderator, and you are a user.

But what section is Qwerty a moderator of? Could it be that Neznayka wandered into the Heroes II section and rudely addressed someone there?

P.S.: If anyone doesn't understand why I'm arguing, I'll say that as a simple user, I didn't like this situation with Neznayka's ban. Maybe some of his posts were a bit much, but not enough to warrant a ban! And to label a post, which in my opinion contains a lot of common sense, as "Trolling" is an overreaction!

Because of people like Qwerty, Catch left. Therefore, I am against driving away guests from other forums, guided by, or rather, hiding behind some "good" intentions!

Because of people like Qwerty, Catch left.

Be careful with open accusations. Especially when you don't know the subject matter.
If you don't like the moderation policy, higher authorities are at your service. As practice shows in this very thread, shaking the air doesn't bring any results.

Alex and I understood each other in private messages; personally, I suggest closing the flood.

The subject of the dispute has already stated that everything has been resolved. What's the point now? Or is Qwerty just stepping on someone's toes?

So, did Catch leave?:eek:

Maybe they're fighting on the portal now? :)

Be careful with making accusations. Especially when you don't have all the facts.

What do you mean, you don't have all the facts?
I live in the same city as Oleg and know him in real life; he told me everything as it is! And do you have all the facts? Have you communicated with Ketch?

And I will decide for myself where to turn for moderation issues! I'm not used to writing complaints, but this topic was created for dialogue with moderators, which is what I'm trying to do.

The person involved has already stated that everything has been resolved. What's the point of continuing? Or is Qwerty just trying to get someone in trouble?

Before writing something like that, did you investigate the subject of the dispute?

I live in the same city as Oleg and know him in real life; he told me everything as it is! And do you have any information about the situation? Have you communicated with Ketch?

I live in the same city as Qwerty and know him in real life. So what? Does knowing a subjective assessment of the situation allow you to accurately determine who is to blame? Please note, I'm not making accusations.

Before writing something like that, did you investigate the matter in dispute?

Yes, I did. That's why I wrote it.

P.S. In general, the temperature of the conversation is such that there will be no constructive dialogue. Perhaps I should stop now, "or it will be like yesterday" (quote).

I live in the same city as Qwerty and know him in real life. So what?

The point is, he didn't go to Qwerty, but to Catch. And Catch knows the reason for his departure better than anyone else. Isn't that right?

P.S. In general, the temperature of the conversation is such that there will be no constructive dialogue. I probably won't continue, "otherwise it will be like yesterday" (c)

And I agree with that. And the argument is pointless. I just want each moderator to monitor violations in the designated areas and not ban guests from other forums for no reason.

So, let's analyze the violations that moderators are identifying.
The system is intelligent.
Let's take a look:
"For having more than 15% and less than 30% of irrelevant content in a message
For having more than 15% and less than 30% of off-topic content in a message
For having more than 30% of irrelevant content in a message
For having more than 30% of off-topic content in a message
For creating duplicate topics on the forum
For messages containing flame wars
For messages containing trolling
For using inappropriate or offensive language in usernames, avatars, messages, and signatures
For any direct or indirect insults towards users, third parties, or organizations
For publishing prohibited, defamatory, malicious, or infringing materials according to current legislation
For publishing spam or advertising materials from external websites not belonging to the HeroesWorld Community resources, or any physical items or intellectual works
For publishing copyrighted material without obtaining consent from the author of said material for its publication
For publishing warez
For discussing warez
For formatting a signature on the forum with more than three font sizes available in the standard forum message editor
For addressing other users using nicknames different from their original ones, if the user does not like this type of address
If an account is managed by a computer program for sending spam or causing harm to online resources
For registering two accounts under one username
For publishing pornographic content or using it in your avatar or signature
For discussing pornographic content or involving other users in such discussions"
As you can easily see, the vast majority of these violations are non-content related, meaning they can be identified by moderators WITHOUT HAVING IN-DEPTH KNOWLEDGE OF A SPECIFIC SECTION.
That's the first point.
Second.
Regarding "kicking out guests from another forum."
It may be a secret to you that the first tournament for the second game was actually held in cooperation with the League of Heroes, then at the end of 2007, a tournament was held jointly with the League, after which 5 tournaments were held jointly with the League and the Portal. Moreover, I am still well-known in the League; I have friends both in the League and in the Portal. Furthermore, I definitely spoke out against discriminating against users based on their initial registration.
Third.
I never claimed to be an expert in technical details, but someone should think about /topic/at/236095/ because it doesn't look very good since it is simply incorrect.
Fourth.
Perhaps I don't identify enough violations. In particular, I do not penalize those WHO PARTICIPATE IN TOURNAMENTS, BUT SIMPLY COME TO THE FORUM TO FLOOD, INSULT USERS, STIR UP CONFLICTS, AND PROVOKE REAL PLAYERS INTO FLOODING.
Fifth.
I pursue trolling and will continue to do so. And my colleagues and moderator friends from other forums agree with me.

P.S.: If anyone doesn't understand why I'm arguing, I'll say that I, as a simple user, didn't like this situation with Neznaika's ban. Maybe some of his posts were a bit much, but it didn't warrant a ban! And labeling a post as "Trolling" when, in my opinion, it contains a lot of common sense!

Your constant participation in all arguments is due to a completely different reason - but in general, I'm not even talking about that, but about this:
1. You either take the position of "you shouldn't be fighting" or you simply look for someone to stab in the back.
2. You only argue with your disagreement, even if it goes against the rules.

Because of people like Qwerty, Catch left. That's why I'm against driving away guests from other forums, guided by, or rather, hiding behind some "good" intentions!

Because of people like Qwerty, we have a forum, Tournaments, Clans, and players as they are now!

P.S. By the way, not everyone is suitable to be a moderator, and being able to accurately identify a simple tease or trolling in controversial posts is a sign of a good moderator ;)

Alex_R For your information, Dirty is doing a lot of work for the forum; his tournaments alone are worth something ;)

I don't want to argue with you; I know we won't come to a consensus :smile04:
Although, you can point out my mistakes or lower my BD; you know how to do that ;)

Qwerty, each section has its own moderators. If necessary, they will delete a post; if required, they will record a violation.